TriumphalMrOwls26 (Original Message) Sent: 3/13/2005 10:19 AM
Can anyone out there help with new recipes on this website, please.
Thanks
Merci beaucoup
Salam
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From: عربي_________للأبد Sent: 3/13/2005 1:23 PM
Est ce que vous avez visite le coin " More Algerian cuisine" , RAMADAN & ALGERIAN RECIPES ? Je vous conseille d'y faire un tour!
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From: krimo Sent: 3/14/2005 10:57 AM
kayene wa3da fi m3askerre
krimo
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From: Muchkill_algeria Sent: 3/14/2005 1:23 PM
Salam krimo,
Essayes tu m'en donneras des nouvelles
If You Want To Get Ahead, Get A Krimo Maraval.
LINK..................> Sloganise ur name..
hahahahaha ,very funny, dont think i can post them all
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From: houari_ Sent: 3/14/2005 2:03 PM
LOL
Thanks for that funny page. I tried these nicknames and I got these slogans:
Monsieur, with this Jamais Doukh you are really spoiling us.
Silly Rabbit, Jaghma Hlib is for Kids.
Put A Katkoutah In Your Tank.
Let the Basyb Begin.
Moving at the Speed of Katkoutah.
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From: basyb Sent: 3/14/2005 2:09 PM
LOL tayahtni mel koursi bedahk hahahahaha
Houari. It's Everywhere You Wanna Be.
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From: El-Haj Messaoud fr. Sent: 10/17/2005 7:33 PM
Yes, please send us more Algerian recipes if you can.
Thank you .
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From: FaridZadi Sent: 10/22/2005 6:43 PM
What do you mean? You want us to post more recipes or you have a question about recipes?
I have an Algerian food blog www.chefzadi.com all recipes have photos. I add recipes everyday or every other day.
HOUARI NEW YORK
Sunday, October 26, 2008
London Terror & Europe's Alert
From: houari_ (Original Message) Sent: 7/7/2005 5:01 PM
Salam alikom,
This morning, we heard about four blasts have rocked London's subway system.
Accurist , gringo and friends who live there, please let us know how are you doing ???
I called you several times but your phone lines are not working. I hope you and your families are doing good and safe.
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From: katkoutah220v Sent: 7/8/2005 10:00 AM
salam
yes i also tried to call yesterday several times to gringo but no answer, lines keep giving me a busy signal i hoppe you're doing ok gringo,
and sorry about what happend
we only have to say la 7awla wa la kowata illa billah
salam
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From: RoboticMotoguelma Sent: 7/8/2005 2:36 PM
Reports say that gringo was safe and he was jogging in a field far from London at that time (footing) , the only danger he faced, he was attacked by a wild group of bees that pushed him to run faster and faster till he was stopped down a hill where a cow scared the s%%%t out of him, he ran faster again and this time he could not stop, reports confirmed he 's still running , people have witnessed some bruises on his face of course caused by those bees , atleast he is now considered as a London's Forest Gump. Run Forest Run !!!
Just to make you smile. :)
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From: Aminah Sent: 7/9/2005 4:14 PM
URGENT ALERT: Precautionary advice for UK Muslims
07 July 2005
There has been an increase in anti-Muslim feeling , particularly after 9/11. IHRC urges caution on the part of the Muslim community, after today's events.
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Islamic Human Rights Commission
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1. Precautionary measures for the community
2. 24 Safety Tips for Muslim Women
3. A final note from IHRC
1. PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES FOR THE COMMUNITY
There has been an increase in anti-Muslim feeling across Europe, the USA and Australia, particularly after 9/11. Whilst we all pray for no such backlash after the attacks in London today, IHRC urges caution on the part of the Muslim community.
Incidents have already reported to the Islamic Human Rights Commission.
In light of the present situation, IHRC urges that precautionary measures be taken:
• Be vigilant
• Do not open suspect packages
• Monitor access to car parks and other enclosures under your control. Report suspicious vehicles to the police.
• Review security arrangements regularly to ensure they are adequate for any event you intend to host.
• Ask your local crime prevention officer to carry out a crime prevention survey of your building.
• Encourage staff to take security seriously and establish regular training for them. Ensure they are aware of contingency plans and
procedures for the building. Make guidelines readily available to all staff including ‘out of doors’ house keeping staff.
• Consider having a fire safety review carried out by the London Fire and Emergency planning Authority.
• Consider installing CCTV. If you do have CCTV ensure it records properly & images are of good quality.
• Report all harassment, whether it is verbal, physical or psychological, to the police and the Islamic Human Rights Commission (020 8904 4222, info@ihrc.org)
• If a satisfactory response is not received from the police, contact the IHRC
• Liaise with the police, and get advice on how to best tackle the problem of harassment.
As Muslims, we must remain firm in our beliefs and have patience. We should remember that:
Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty. (65:7)
If Allah assists you, then there is none that can overcome you, and if He forsakes you, who is there then that can assist you after Him? And on Allah should the believers rely. (3:160)
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2. 24 Safety Tips for Muslim Women
By Samana Siddiqui
courtesy & copyright soundvision.com
http://www.soundvision.com/info/terrorism/sistertips2.asp
As Muslims and their institutions become targets of harassment in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attack, Muslim women, especially those who dress Islamically, have become major targets.
Reports of Muslim women being yelled at, threatened, having their Hijabs pulled off and having guns pointed at them have surfaced. It is necessary that the whole community rallies to defend Muslim women. But sisters also have to take personal precautions when they go outside. Like it or not, they will be targets.
Here are some safety tips for sisters:
1. Always be aware of your surroundings
This applies whether you are traveling alone or in groups. Don't just focus inwardly on your thoughts if you are alone, or your friends if you are together. Keep one eye out for your environment, looking out for suspicious characters, possible danger, etc.
Also, don't assume that because your area has been "safe" thus far, that it will continue to be so.
2. Travel in groups
"There is safety in numbers" is not just a cliché. It's true. Make a point of travelling together with other sisters, whether it's on public transportation, on campus, in cars, etc.
3. Change the route you normally travel by
If you've taken the same bus, train or highway to get to work or school, change your route. Even if it takes you a little longer, your safety is more important. By changing your route, you can avert possible attacks or
harassment from those who know your schedule, method and route of travel well. Please note though that you should avoid short cuts that take you through unfamiliar or unsafe areas.
4. Look confident
Walk with a straight posture and your arms swinging by your sides. Avoid slouching or walking like a victim. This makes you an easy target for attackers.
5. When riding by public transportation choose the right seat
If you are riding by bus or train, do not sit on the window seat as you may be "blocked in" by a potential assailant. Always select the seat next to the aisle so that you can quickly leave if necessary.
If you are taking public transportation alone after peak hours, sit as close to the driver as possible and/or choose the section of the bus/train that is most crowded. Try to get a seat near the exit as well.
6. If you are driving alone
Don't think that if you are in a car, you're safe. Windows should be up and doors locked even when driving to avoid unwanted passengers at intersections. When you are walking to your car, always have your keys
ready, so that you can quickly get into your car.
But don't just get in right away. Always check your car before entering, especially the back, for any intruders.
7. Never leave your car door unlocked
Even if it means for one minute to drop something off in the mailbox that's
a few feet away. Attackers have been known to lie in wait for such an
opportunity.
8. Be careful in parking lots
Always be alert in parking lots, especially when it's dark. Ask someone to escort you to your car. Between cars and inside cars, it's easy for someone to hide and wait until an unalert person comes along.
9. If you are travelling by taxi
Always check the identification of the driver (usually located near the visor) and ensure that it matches the driver. Once inside, don't sit behind the driver as it may be easy for the driver to lock the rear passenger door. Always choose the adjacent seat .
In addition, avoid flagging taxis. Always order taxis so the driver can be traced if something happens.
10. Don't use the walkman
If you're used to listening to your walkman while outside, drop this habit, especially in isolated areas. With your walkman on, you cannot hear the approach of a possible attacker.
11. Note "safe houses" along your route
Mentally note houses at intervals on each route you take that can be used as "safe houses" if you are attacked, such as shops or houses that you know to be occupied by a friend or acquaintance.
12. When you make a call from a phone booth
After dialling the number you wish to call always turn around so that you have your back to the phone and may see who or what is coming your way. You will then be able to tell the person to whom you are speaking that you may be in trouble and you may be able to use the weight of the phone as a weapon. The door of a telephone box could be used to wedge in the limbs of the attacker.
13. Do not open the door of your home without checking
DO NOT open the door to your home without first checking from a window, peephole or by asking and verifying who it is. Instruct children to do the same.
14. Report any suspicious activity around your home
If you see people loitering on the streets near your house, call the police on a non emergency number and report it.
15. Invest in a cell phone
This is an invaluable safety device. Keep it with you at all times and keep emergency numbers on it. Also, keep it next to your bed before you go to bed at night. Cell phones were first popularized by women as a security device, business people came later.
16. Parking tips
Avoid parking in areas that are not well lit. Where possible, park close to a school or work entrance or in a parking garage that has an attendant.
If you see a suspicious person approaching or hanging around near your parked car, turn around and go back to an area where there are other people. Try to get an escort to your car through the campus or job security or local
police.
17. Tell others about your whereabouts
Parents, spouses and friends should know where you are going and when you will be back, so that your absence will be noticed. Arrange a call in system with a friend if you live alone, whereby you call when you arrive home.
18. Trust your instincts
If you are walking somewhere and feel strange or scared, don't ignore this feeling. Take extra precautions by walking a little faster to get to a more populated or well-lit area or change the route you've been driving on.
19. If you think you are being followed, change your route and activity.
You can cross the street, change directions, or enter a populated building or store. Do whatever is necessary to avoid being alone with the person who is following you. Inform a police officer or security official about the follower.
20. Attract attention if you are in a dangerous situation.
Get others' to pay attention to what's happening to you if you are under attack or being harassed. You can alert others by honking a car horn or loudly describing what is happening.
21. NEVER admit that you are alone
If someone calls your home and asks if you are alone, NEVER admit it. Ask who the caller is. If they refuse to identify themselves, calmly hangup. Keep the radio on in the house so that callers will get the impression that others are in the home too. Instruct children to do the same when they pick up the phone.
22. Obscene phone calls
If you receive an obscene call or a crank call, do not talk to the caller. Hang up if the caller doesn't say anything, or as soon as s/he shouts obscenities. Hang up the phone calmly and do not slam it down. Note down the date and time of the calls. If they are persistent, inform local police.
23. If you are a student
Avoid studying in isolated classrooms in parts of the college campus that are not regularly patrolled by the school's security officers.
24. In large buildings take the elevator, not the stairwell
Stairwells are usually quiet and dark. Most people take the elevator. But if someone creepy gets on, don't hesitate to get off at the same time. Or, if someone is already on the elevator who you feel strange about, do not get on and wait for the next elevator.
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3. A final note from IHRC
At times like this, it is essential to realise that the only superpower is Allah subhana wa ta ala, the All-knowing, the All-powerful. To Him belongs all in the heavens and the earth, and we should not forget the power of praying and turning to Allah. We would like to recommend taking every opportunity to pray for peace and security for all.
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From: Algerian Community Team Sent: 7/11/2005 3:17 PM
(Original Message) From: Muchkill_Algeria
The reality of this barbaric bombing
If we are fighting insurgency in Iraq, what makes us think insurgency won't come to us?
By Robert Fisk
07/08/05 "The Independent" - - "If you bomb our cities," Osama bin Laden said in one of his recent video tapes, "we will bomb yours." There you go, as they say. It was crystal clear Britain would be a target ever since Tony Blair decided to join George Bush's "war on terror" and his invasion of Iraq. We had, as they say, been warned. The G8 summit was obviously chosen, well in advance, as Attack Day.
And it's no use Mr Blair telling us yesterday that "they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear". "They" are not trying to destroy "what we hold dear". They are trying to get public opinion to force Blair to withdraw from Iraq, from his alliance with the United States, and from his adherence to Bush's policies in the Middle East. The Spanish paid the price for their support for Bush - and Spain's subsequent retreat from Iraq proved that the Madrid bombings achieved their objectives - while the Australians were made to suffer in Bali.
It is easy for Tony Blair to call yesterdays bombings "barbaric" - of course they were - but what were the civilian deaths of the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq in 2003, the children torn apart by cluster bombs, the countless innocent Iraqis gunned down at American military checkpoints? When they die, it is "collateral damage"; when "we" die, it is "barbaric terrorism".
If we are fighting insurgency in Iraq, what makes us believe insurgency won't come to us? One thing is certain: if Tony Blair really believes that by "fighting terrorism" in Iraq we could more efficiently protect Britain - fight them there rather than let them come here, as Bush constantly says - this argument is no longer valid.
To time these bombs with the G8 summit, when the world was concentrating on Britain, was not a stroke of genius. You don't need a PhD to choose another Bush-Blair handshake to close down a capital city with explosives and massacre more than 30 of its citizens. The G8 summit was announced so far in advance as to give the bombers all the time they needed to prepare.
A co-ordinated system of attacks of the kind we saw yesterday would have taken months to plan - to choose safe houses, prepare explosives, identify targets, ensure security, choose the bombers, the hour, the minute, to plan the communications (mobile phones are giveaways). Co-ordination and sophisticated planning - and the usual utter ruthlessness with regard to the lives of the innocent - are characteristic of al-Qa'ida. And let us not use - as our television colleagues did yesterday - "hallmarks", a word identified with quality silver rather than base metal.
And now let us reflect on the fact that yesterday, the opening of the G8, so critical a day, so bloody a day, represented a total failure of our security services - the same intelligence "experts" who claim there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when there were none, but who utterly failed to uncover a months-long plot to kill Londoners.
Trains, planes, buses, cars, metros. Transportation appears to be the science of al-Qa'ida's dark arts. No one can search three million London commuters every day. No one can stop every tourist. Some thought the Eurostar might have been an al-Qa'ida target - be sure they have studied it - but why go for prestige when your common or garden bus and Tube train are there for the taking.
And then come the Muslims of Britain, who have long been awaiting this nightmare. Now every one of our Muslims becomes the "usual suspect", the man or woman with brown eyes, the man with the beard, the woman in the scarf, the boy with the worry beads, the girl who says she's been racially abused.
I remember, crossing the Atlantic on 11 September 2001 - my plane turned round off Ireland when the US closed its airspace - how the aircraft purser and I toured the cabins to see if we could identify any suspicious passengers. I found about a dozen, of course, totally innocent men who had brown eyes or long beards or who looked at me with "hostility". And sure enough, in just a few seconds, Osama bin Laden turned nice, liberal, friendly Robert into an anti-Arab racist.
And this is part of the point of yesterday's bombings: to divide British Muslims from British non-Muslims (let us not mention the name Christians), to encourage the very kind of racism that Tony Blair claims to resent.
But here's the problem. To go on pretending that Britain's enemies want to destroy "what we hold dear" encourages racism; what we are confronting here is a specific, direct, centralised attack on London as a result of a "war on terror" which Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara has locked us into. Just before the US presidential elections, Bin Laden asked: "Why do we not attack Sweden?"
Lucky Sweden. No Osama bin Laden there. And no Tony Blair.
MID-EAST REALITIES - www.MiddleEast.Org
Phone: (202) 362-5266 Fax: (815) 366-0800
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From: Mokhtar_alger Sent: 7/12/2005 7:10 AM
دمعة على لندن
لحسين بن محمود
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
القلب يألم والنفس تأسف على تفجيرات لندن ..
قطارات وباصات تهشّمت في قلب لندن ..
آهِ لندن ..
كم غرق في أتون سياساتك من الناس وأنتن !!
آه لندن ..
خمسون أشقر صُبغوا بالدم الأحمر !!
خمسون اشقر ولون العين أخضر ..
خمسون أشقر ..
آه على الخمسين أشقر ..
بكاء على أطلال لندن !!
خرج المفكر والسياسي يدندن
والكاتب والمفتي وإمام يؤذن !!
وشيخ شيوخ وأمير وملحّن ..
لا لا لا ، لا لا لا ... الكل يدندن :
آه لندن ..
اسقطت خلافة ومنعت الأذان في اسطنبول : لندن ..
قتلت نساء وشرّدت الأطفال في العالم : لندن ..
هتكت أعراضاً وسفكت بحراً من الدماء : لندن ..
اقتسم العالم قبل قرن : فرنسا ولندن ..
هل نسينا ما فعلت بالمسلمين لندن !!
ألم تسلّم اليهود فلسطين ..
ألم تقطّع بلاد المسلمين ..
ليس في الأرض بقعة إلا وثأر دفين !!
ألم تدمّر على رؤوس الأفغان بيوت طين !!
ألم تقتل في العراق مليون ونصف سجين !!
ألم تهدم المساجد على رؤوس الآمنين !!
أنسيتم ما فعلت في فلسطين !!
أنسيتم رجالاً في الأقصى مصلين !!
أنسيتم ما فعلت في الشام ومصر والصين !!
وجزيرة العُرب ، ولورنس اللعين !!
مسكينة لندن ..
مظلومة لندن ..
مقهورة لندن ..
نعوذ بالله .. ليس للإرهاب دين ..
كم خَلق الإرهاب في لندن من دموع ..
كم أوقد الإرهاب لمقتولٍ شموع !!
كم خلّف الإرهاب من قلب جزوع !!
في قلب لندن ..
آه لتفجيرات لندن ..
ثم آه لتفجيرات لندن ..
فجّرت فينا حنيناً وشوقاً للندن ..
استنكر شارون هذا الفعل الجبان ..
وأزبد بوش ، وللفعل أدان ..
وقد عرفنا فتوة المفتي قبل أن يفتي بزمان :
ليس للإرهاب في الدين مكان ..
على المسلمين القتل وللصليبي أمان ..
يُقبَر المسلمين بصمت وهوان ..
كي لا يعرف التاريخُ أين المكان ..
ولجُرح الصليبي ألف بيان وبيان ..
ثم بيان ، وبيان ، وبيان ، وبيان ..
وبيان يتلوه بيان تلو بيان .....
بكى على لندن جميع الثقلان ..
وأظهر العالم إشفاق وحنان ..
الحب ظاهر باد للعيان ..
ولو كنتَ ابن أباك فأسرر بالجِنان ..
بكاء على مسلم في هذا الزمان ..
فقبْل البرق ترى تكبيل اليدان ..
والرجلان ..
إنك لا تبكي على مصاب لندن !!
كيف لا يبكون من حاد الله ، وللقرآن أهان !!
كيف لا يبكون من يهزأ بنبي الإنس وجانّ !!
ألا يبكون من يقتل إخواننا في كل مكان !!
ألا يبكون من يسوم الحرائر ذل وهوان !!
عراقية تخلط ماء بعجين ..
الأطفال جوعى وليس في العجين طحين !!
وهل لطحين من سبيل والزوج سجين !!
في سجن بصرة لندن ..
من فجّر قطارات لندن !!
لا أظنه عراقياً ، فلو كان لزاد على المليون مئين ..
لا أظنه أفغانياً ، إذا لا يُبقي في لندن غير طين ..
لا أظنه فلسطينياً ، إذا لصيّر مبنى البرلمان عجين ..
لا أظنه عربياً ، فللعُرب مع لندن حساب مكين ..
بل لا أظنه مسلما ،
فكيف يبقي مسلم على مخلوق بلندن !!
هل هي أحقاد أفريقيا خرجت بعد عقود من زمن !!
أم أنها آهات آسيا التي زرعت فيها بريطانيا الفتن !!
أم أنها حرب أفيون مع الصين ، فالصين لا تنسى المحن !!
أم هو انتقام الروس أم الآيرش ، واسكوتلاندا تشكو لمن !!
لا بد للإرهاب أن يحنّ للندن ..
على ضفاف النيل من أثيوبيا إلى مصر الحزينة ..
في أدغال أفريقيا وجنوب القارة ذكريات حزينة ..
في الهند في شرق آسيا في غرب أفريقيا السجينة ..
بل في قلب أوروبا للندن أسرار دفينة ..
قِبلة للذكريات لندن ..
دمة على أحداث لندن ..
قتلت مليون ونصف مليون في العراق ،
وقتل الإرهابي خمسين أصفر!!
شرّدت خمس ملايين أفغاني للدمع أراق ،
وقتل الإرهابي خمسين أصفر !!
هتكت أعراض الرجال والنساء الرِّقاق ،
وقتل الإرهابي خمسين أصفر!!
كيف لا أبكي على أحداث لندن ، وليس إلا :
خمسون ينالون الفراق !!
خمسون في قطارت لندن !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بنيّ !!
هكذا قالت عجوز من قندهار ..
أي إرهاب هذا يا بنيّ !!
مساجد تُنسف في وضح النهار ..
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
مصاحفٌ تُمزّق في إقليم طُخار ..
أي إرهاب هذا يا بنيّ !!
خمسون علج وباص وقطار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
وبلير في البرلمان ينهق كال**** !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
والقدس لم ترى بعد القرار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
قرنين من حديدٍ ممزوجٍ بنار
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
آثارهم في سهولٍ وبراري وقفار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
واختك تصرخ من خلف الجدار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
وا حر قلبي ، عقلي فيك حار ..
أتظن الإرهاب قتل خمسين فقط !!
ها هو الكافر الحربي لأنفاسه التقط ..
لم يكن مثل هذا الإرهاب في الإسلام قط ..
أشعِل الأرض نارا وضع على الحروف نقط ..
دينك الإسلام سلام وصفاء
دينك العدل وهدي وضياء
دائهم أنت وهم للكون وباء
أسمِع القوم كلام الأنبياء
ثلاثاً ، ثم أخبرهم بالجزاء
إسلام أو صَغَار أو شقاء
وأعدوا واقتلوا هكذا في القرآن جاء
لك في قتل كل حربي من النار وجاء
لقد قال نبيك أن لكل داء دواء
وقد جاء في الأمثال من غير مراء
داوِها بالتي كانت من قبل داء
ليس في الأمر كبير بحث أو عناء
داء لندن الإرهاب فعجّل بالشفاء
فلتتبع سياسات بليرَ لندن
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From: NarjisFlower Sent: 7/21/2005 6:46 PM
Do not know if anyone is interested, but I am now living in Algeria. I cannot believe the difference between the reality of the people living here and what is portrayed to the American public by the media.
If anyone is interested in my recent adventures, you can email me at this address.
Narjis
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From: Annaba235 Sent: 7/22/2005 7:07 AM
More updates on London's Terror.. 5 minutes Ago..
Police in London shot a man wearing a thick coat at a subway station and cordoned off a mosque on Friday, a day after the city was hit by a second wave of terror attacks in two weeks.
Police had no immediate details on the situation at the mosque in east London. The circumstances of the shooting at Stockwell station were not immediately clear, nor was the man's condition. One witness said he was dead.
British Transport Police said the Northern and Victoria Tube lines, which pass through Stockwell, were suspended because of shooting.
Passengers said they saw police pursuing a man who appeared to be of Pakistani or Indian descent. Some said police shot him when he tripped.
But one witness told the British Broadcasting Corp. that police "pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him."
"He looked like a cornered fox. He looked pertrified," Mark Whitby said, adding that the man appeared to be dead.
Whitby said the man did not appear to be carrying anything but was wearing a thick coat that looked padded.
Another witness said there were at least 20 police officers involved in the chase.
"The next thing I saw was this guy jump over the barriers and the police officers were chasing after him and everyone was just shouting, 'Get out, Get out!'" said Chris Wells, 28.
Subway passenger Briony Coetsee said she heard gunshots shortly after the shouts to get out.
Alistair Drummond, of the London Ambulance Service, said paramedics had been called to the station at 10:10 a.m.
Mohammed Abdul Bari, chairman of the East London Mosque, said the mosque had received a bomb threat by telephone Friday morning.
The bomb squad came and were searching the premises. More than 6,000 people were expected for Friday afternoon prayers but there were only about a dozen people inside at the time of the threat.
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From: Dj. Sent: 7/22/2005 2:06 PM
I have been living in the States for over twenty years now, and I am not sure I could say that there is much media coverage to warrant any kind of expectations when one goes and lives in Algeria. I understand that there was sporatic coverage here and there especially pertainng the last decade, but that did not seem to have any lasting impressions. In fact average Americans, in my experience, do not even know where Algeria is.
Could you please elaborate on what your expectations were, and how you came to the impression that they were not correct?
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From: NarjisFlower
To: HOUARI,new york
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: An American Muslim Living in Algeria
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An American Muslim Living in Algeria
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From: NarjisFlower
Do not know if anyone is interested, but I am now living in Algeria. I cannot believe the difference between the reality of the people living here and what is portrayed to the American public by the media.
If anyone is interested in my recent adventures, you can email me at this address.
Narjis
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From: houari_ Sent: 7/29/2005 6:42 AM
Nobody's Fault
The underlying theme of most Western politicians can be summed up in the phrase "It's not my fault." This is the motto of the Age of Irresponsibility.
Have you ever wondered how, if all the problems we face are nobody's fault, they became problems in the first place? It's been my personal experience that when I tracked down the source of nearly all of my problems, it was me. I was fortunate to grow up when the most commonly heard phrase was "No excuses."
It's the not-my-fault syndrome that explains why both President Bush and Great Britain's Tony Blair react so angrily when someone suggests that terrorist attacks are a response to American and British foreign policy. If they are a response, then obviously the attacks are the fault of the policy-makers.
So, to avoid any share of responsibility whatsoever, both Bush and Blair propagate the line that terrorists are complete nut cases acting purely irrationally because of crazy hatred of our wealth and freedom. This is particularly clever political propaganda since it asserts that we are hated, not for our faults, but for our very virtues.
It's pure hogwash, of course. Anyone who knows anything about the Middle East and terrorism knows that nearly all of the terrorist leaders are university-educated and come from middle-class to upper-class families. Why would bin Laden, himself a multimillionaire, hate wealth? Why would a man who freely chose a life of hardship when he could have been a decadent playboy despise freedom? Bin Laden fought for the freedom of Afghanistan. For whose freedom have Bush and Blair ever fought?
Bin Laden is certainly one of terrorism's wordiest leaders, but in all his speeches and messages of which I'm aware, he's never criticized wealth or freedom. He has been quite specific. He wants the U.S. military presence in the Persian Gulf ended. He criticizes our support for Arab dictators and for Israeli abuses of Palestinians. He wants us out of the Persian Gulf, and he wants an end to Israel.
Now, acknowledging what he believes is not agreeing with him. You can agree or disagree, but it is both stupid and dishonest to deny that bin Laden believes what bin Laden says. The Bush-Blair ploy is the same as if Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill had said of Adolf Hitler, "Well, he's not really anti-Semitic and he's not really interested in controlling Europe, he just hates us Brits and Yanks because we are such virtuous people." The fact is that Hitler followed the plan outlined in "Mein Kampf," the book he wrote before he came to power, almost to the letter. He did or tried to do exactly what he said he would do for the reasons he said made those actions necessary.
It's this irresponsibility that sickens me. I long for a leader with the guts to speak the truth. What's wrong with saying to the American people: "The terrorist attacks against us have nothing to do with Islam. They are a response to our policy of supporting Israel and the Arab governments we like, our military presence in the Persian Gulf, and our decision to attack Iraq. I think our objectives are worth the price, but if you disagree, vote against me in the next election."
It's been so long since honest speech has come out of a politician's mouth, I'd probably faint if I heard any.
It's not just foreign policy. Public education is entirely within the control of politicians, yet they deny any responsibility for its failures. They control Social Security and Medicare and deny any responsibility for the problems in those programs. They vote for the deficits and they write the tax laws, but they deny any responsibility for red ink or impossible-to-understand tax codes.
Insoluble political problems do not exist. The only question we face is, Do we have the brains and guts to preserve our country and its institutions and to demand accountability from our politicians?
By Charley Reese, July 2005
Salam alikom,
This morning, we heard about four blasts have rocked London's subway system.
Accurist , gringo and friends who live there, please let us know how are you doing ???
I called you several times but your phone lines are not working. I hope you and your families are doing good and safe.
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From: katkoutah220v Sent: 7/8/2005 10:00 AM
salam
yes i also tried to call yesterday several times to gringo but no answer, lines keep giving me a busy signal i hoppe you're doing ok gringo,
and sorry about what happend
we only have to say la 7awla wa la kowata illa billah
salam
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From: RoboticMotoguelma Sent: 7/8/2005 2:36 PM
Reports say that gringo was safe and he was jogging in a field far from London at that time (footing) , the only danger he faced, he was attacked by a wild group of bees that pushed him to run faster and faster till he was stopped down a hill where a cow scared the s%%%t out of him, he ran faster again and this time he could not stop, reports confirmed he 's still running , people have witnessed some bruises on his face of course caused by those bees , atleast he is now considered as a London's Forest Gump. Run Forest Run !!!
Just to make you smile. :)
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From: Aminah Sent: 7/9/2005 4:14 PM
URGENT ALERT: Precautionary advice for UK Muslims
07 July 2005
There has been an increase in anti-Muslim feeling , particularly after 9/11. IHRC urges caution on the part of the Muslim community, after today's events.
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Islamic Human Rights Commission
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1. Precautionary measures for the community
2. 24 Safety Tips for Muslim Women
3. A final note from IHRC
1. PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES FOR THE COMMUNITY
There has been an increase in anti-Muslim feeling across Europe, the USA and Australia, particularly after 9/11. Whilst we all pray for no such backlash after the attacks in London today, IHRC urges caution on the part of the Muslim community.
Incidents have already reported to the Islamic Human Rights Commission.
In light of the present situation, IHRC urges that precautionary measures be taken:
• Be vigilant
• Do not open suspect packages
• Monitor access to car parks and other enclosures under your control. Report suspicious vehicles to the police.
• Review security arrangements regularly to ensure they are adequate for any event you intend to host.
• Ask your local crime prevention officer to carry out a crime prevention survey of your building.
• Encourage staff to take security seriously and establish regular training for them. Ensure they are aware of contingency plans and
procedures for the building. Make guidelines readily available to all staff including ‘out of doors’ house keeping staff.
• Consider having a fire safety review carried out by the London Fire and Emergency planning Authority.
• Consider installing CCTV. If you do have CCTV ensure it records properly & images are of good quality.
• Report all harassment, whether it is verbal, physical or psychological, to the police and the Islamic Human Rights Commission (020 8904 4222, info@ihrc.org)
• If a satisfactory response is not received from the police, contact the IHRC
• Liaise with the police, and get advice on how to best tackle the problem of harassment.
As Muslims, we must remain firm in our beliefs and have patience. We should remember that:
Allah does not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent to which He has granted it; Allah brings about ease after difficulty. (65:7)
If Allah assists you, then there is none that can overcome you, and if He forsakes you, who is there then that can assist you after Him? And on Allah should the believers rely. (3:160)
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2. 24 Safety Tips for Muslim Women
By Samana Siddiqui
courtesy & copyright soundvision.com
http://www.soundvision.com/info/terrorism/sistertips2.asp
As Muslims and their institutions become targets of harassment in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attack, Muslim women, especially those who dress Islamically, have become major targets.
Reports of Muslim women being yelled at, threatened, having their Hijabs pulled off and having guns pointed at them have surfaced. It is necessary that the whole community rallies to defend Muslim women. But sisters also have to take personal precautions when they go outside. Like it or not, they will be targets.
Here are some safety tips for sisters:
1. Always be aware of your surroundings
This applies whether you are traveling alone or in groups. Don't just focus inwardly on your thoughts if you are alone, or your friends if you are together. Keep one eye out for your environment, looking out for suspicious characters, possible danger, etc.
Also, don't assume that because your area has been "safe" thus far, that it will continue to be so.
2. Travel in groups
"There is safety in numbers" is not just a cliché. It's true. Make a point of travelling together with other sisters, whether it's on public transportation, on campus, in cars, etc.
3. Change the route you normally travel by
If you've taken the same bus, train or highway to get to work or school, change your route. Even if it takes you a little longer, your safety is more important. By changing your route, you can avert possible attacks or
harassment from those who know your schedule, method and route of travel well. Please note though that you should avoid short cuts that take you through unfamiliar or unsafe areas.
4. Look confident
Walk with a straight posture and your arms swinging by your sides. Avoid slouching or walking like a victim. This makes you an easy target for attackers.
5. When riding by public transportation choose the right seat
If you are riding by bus or train, do not sit on the window seat as you may be "blocked in" by a potential assailant. Always select the seat next to the aisle so that you can quickly leave if necessary.
If you are taking public transportation alone after peak hours, sit as close to the driver as possible and/or choose the section of the bus/train that is most crowded. Try to get a seat near the exit as well.
6. If you are driving alone
Don't think that if you are in a car, you're safe. Windows should be up and doors locked even when driving to avoid unwanted passengers at intersections. When you are walking to your car, always have your keys
ready, so that you can quickly get into your car.
But don't just get in right away. Always check your car before entering, especially the back, for any intruders.
7. Never leave your car door unlocked
Even if it means for one minute to drop something off in the mailbox that's
a few feet away. Attackers have been known to lie in wait for such an
opportunity.
8. Be careful in parking lots
Always be alert in parking lots, especially when it's dark. Ask someone to escort you to your car. Between cars and inside cars, it's easy for someone to hide and wait until an unalert person comes along.
9. If you are travelling by taxi
Always check the identification of the driver (usually located near the visor) and ensure that it matches the driver. Once inside, don't sit behind the driver as it may be easy for the driver to lock the rear passenger door. Always choose the adjacent seat .
In addition, avoid flagging taxis. Always order taxis so the driver can be traced if something happens.
10. Don't use the walkman
If you're used to listening to your walkman while outside, drop this habit, especially in isolated areas. With your walkman on, you cannot hear the approach of a possible attacker.
11. Note "safe houses" along your route
Mentally note houses at intervals on each route you take that can be used as "safe houses" if you are attacked, such as shops or houses that you know to be occupied by a friend or acquaintance.
12. When you make a call from a phone booth
After dialling the number you wish to call always turn around so that you have your back to the phone and may see who or what is coming your way. You will then be able to tell the person to whom you are speaking that you may be in trouble and you may be able to use the weight of the phone as a weapon. The door of a telephone box could be used to wedge in the limbs of the attacker.
13. Do not open the door of your home without checking
DO NOT open the door to your home without first checking from a window, peephole or by asking and verifying who it is. Instruct children to do the same.
14. Report any suspicious activity around your home
If you see people loitering on the streets near your house, call the police on a non emergency number and report it.
15. Invest in a cell phone
This is an invaluable safety device. Keep it with you at all times and keep emergency numbers on it. Also, keep it next to your bed before you go to bed at night. Cell phones were first popularized by women as a security device, business people came later.
16. Parking tips
Avoid parking in areas that are not well lit. Where possible, park close to a school or work entrance or in a parking garage that has an attendant.
If you see a suspicious person approaching or hanging around near your parked car, turn around and go back to an area where there are other people. Try to get an escort to your car through the campus or job security or local
police.
17. Tell others about your whereabouts
Parents, spouses and friends should know where you are going and when you will be back, so that your absence will be noticed. Arrange a call in system with a friend if you live alone, whereby you call when you arrive home.
18. Trust your instincts
If you are walking somewhere and feel strange or scared, don't ignore this feeling. Take extra precautions by walking a little faster to get to a more populated or well-lit area or change the route you've been driving on.
19. If you think you are being followed, change your route and activity.
You can cross the street, change directions, or enter a populated building or store. Do whatever is necessary to avoid being alone with the person who is following you. Inform a police officer or security official about the follower.
20. Attract attention if you are in a dangerous situation.
Get others' to pay attention to what's happening to you if you are under attack or being harassed. You can alert others by honking a car horn or loudly describing what is happening.
21. NEVER admit that you are alone
If someone calls your home and asks if you are alone, NEVER admit it. Ask who the caller is. If they refuse to identify themselves, calmly hangup. Keep the radio on in the house so that callers will get the impression that others are in the home too. Instruct children to do the same when they pick up the phone.
22. Obscene phone calls
If you receive an obscene call or a crank call, do not talk to the caller. Hang up if the caller doesn't say anything, or as soon as s/he shouts obscenities. Hang up the phone calmly and do not slam it down. Note down the date and time of the calls. If they are persistent, inform local police.
23. If you are a student
Avoid studying in isolated classrooms in parts of the college campus that are not regularly patrolled by the school's security officers.
24. In large buildings take the elevator, not the stairwell
Stairwells are usually quiet and dark. Most people take the elevator. But if someone creepy gets on, don't hesitate to get off at the same time. Or, if someone is already on the elevator who you feel strange about, do not get on and wait for the next elevator.
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3. A final note from IHRC
At times like this, it is essential to realise that the only superpower is Allah subhana wa ta ala, the All-knowing, the All-powerful. To Him belongs all in the heavens and the earth, and we should not forget the power of praying and turning to Allah. We would like to recommend taking every opportunity to pray for peace and security for all.
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From: Algerian Community Team Sent: 7/11/2005 3:17 PM
(Original Message) From: Muchkill_Algeria
The reality of this barbaric bombing
If we are fighting insurgency in Iraq, what makes us think insurgency won't come to us?
By Robert Fisk
07/08/05 "The Independent" - - "If you bomb our cities," Osama bin Laden said in one of his recent video tapes, "we will bomb yours." There you go, as they say. It was crystal clear Britain would be a target ever since Tony Blair decided to join George Bush's "war on terror" and his invasion of Iraq. We had, as they say, been warned. The G8 summit was obviously chosen, well in advance, as Attack Day.
And it's no use Mr Blair telling us yesterday that "they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear". "They" are not trying to destroy "what we hold dear". They are trying to get public opinion to force Blair to withdraw from Iraq, from his alliance with the United States, and from his adherence to Bush's policies in the Middle East. The Spanish paid the price for their support for Bush - and Spain's subsequent retreat from Iraq proved that the Madrid bombings achieved their objectives - while the Australians were made to suffer in Bali.
It is easy for Tony Blair to call yesterdays bombings "barbaric" - of course they were - but what were the civilian deaths of the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq in 2003, the children torn apart by cluster bombs, the countless innocent Iraqis gunned down at American military checkpoints? When they die, it is "collateral damage"; when "we" die, it is "barbaric terrorism".
If we are fighting insurgency in Iraq, what makes us believe insurgency won't come to us? One thing is certain: if Tony Blair really believes that by "fighting terrorism" in Iraq we could more efficiently protect Britain - fight them there rather than let them come here, as Bush constantly says - this argument is no longer valid.
To time these bombs with the G8 summit, when the world was concentrating on Britain, was not a stroke of genius. You don't need a PhD to choose another Bush-Blair handshake to close down a capital city with explosives and massacre more than 30 of its citizens. The G8 summit was announced so far in advance as to give the bombers all the time they needed to prepare.
A co-ordinated system of attacks of the kind we saw yesterday would have taken months to plan - to choose safe houses, prepare explosives, identify targets, ensure security, choose the bombers, the hour, the minute, to plan the communications (mobile phones are giveaways). Co-ordination and sophisticated planning - and the usual utter ruthlessness with regard to the lives of the innocent - are characteristic of al-Qa'ida. And let us not use - as our television colleagues did yesterday - "hallmarks", a word identified with quality silver rather than base metal.
And now let us reflect on the fact that yesterday, the opening of the G8, so critical a day, so bloody a day, represented a total failure of our security services - the same intelligence "experts" who claim there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when there were none, but who utterly failed to uncover a months-long plot to kill Londoners.
Trains, planes, buses, cars, metros. Transportation appears to be the science of al-Qa'ida's dark arts. No one can search three million London commuters every day. No one can stop every tourist. Some thought the Eurostar might have been an al-Qa'ida target - be sure they have studied it - but why go for prestige when your common or garden bus and Tube train are there for the taking.
And then come the Muslims of Britain, who have long been awaiting this nightmare. Now every one of our Muslims becomes the "usual suspect", the man or woman with brown eyes, the man with the beard, the woman in the scarf, the boy with the worry beads, the girl who says she's been racially abused.
I remember, crossing the Atlantic on 11 September 2001 - my plane turned round off Ireland when the US closed its airspace - how the aircraft purser and I toured the cabins to see if we could identify any suspicious passengers. I found about a dozen, of course, totally innocent men who had brown eyes or long beards or who looked at me with "hostility". And sure enough, in just a few seconds, Osama bin Laden turned nice, liberal, friendly Robert into an anti-Arab racist.
And this is part of the point of yesterday's bombings: to divide British Muslims from British non-Muslims (let us not mention the name Christians), to encourage the very kind of racism that Tony Blair claims to resent.
But here's the problem. To go on pretending that Britain's enemies want to destroy "what we hold dear" encourages racism; what we are confronting here is a specific, direct, centralised attack on London as a result of a "war on terror" which Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara has locked us into. Just before the US presidential elections, Bin Laden asked: "Why do we not attack Sweden?"
Lucky Sweden. No Osama bin Laden there. And no Tony Blair.
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From: Mokhtar_alger Sent: 7/12/2005 7:10 AM
دمعة على لندن
لحسين بن محمود
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
القلب يألم والنفس تأسف على تفجيرات لندن ..
قطارات وباصات تهشّمت في قلب لندن ..
آهِ لندن ..
كم غرق في أتون سياساتك من الناس وأنتن !!
آه لندن ..
خمسون أشقر صُبغوا بالدم الأحمر !!
خمسون اشقر ولون العين أخضر ..
خمسون أشقر ..
آه على الخمسين أشقر ..
بكاء على أطلال لندن !!
خرج المفكر والسياسي يدندن
والكاتب والمفتي وإمام يؤذن !!
وشيخ شيوخ وأمير وملحّن ..
لا لا لا ، لا لا لا ... الكل يدندن :
آه لندن ..
اسقطت خلافة ومنعت الأذان في اسطنبول : لندن ..
قتلت نساء وشرّدت الأطفال في العالم : لندن ..
هتكت أعراضاً وسفكت بحراً من الدماء : لندن ..
اقتسم العالم قبل قرن : فرنسا ولندن ..
هل نسينا ما فعلت بالمسلمين لندن !!
ألم تسلّم اليهود فلسطين ..
ألم تقطّع بلاد المسلمين ..
ليس في الأرض بقعة إلا وثأر دفين !!
ألم تدمّر على رؤوس الأفغان بيوت طين !!
ألم تقتل في العراق مليون ونصف سجين !!
ألم تهدم المساجد على رؤوس الآمنين !!
أنسيتم ما فعلت في فلسطين !!
أنسيتم رجالاً في الأقصى مصلين !!
أنسيتم ما فعلت في الشام ومصر والصين !!
وجزيرة العُرب ، ولورنس اللعين !!
مسكينة لندن ..
مظلومة لندن ..
مقهورة لندن ..
نعوذ بالله .. ليس للإرهاب دين ..
كم خَلق الإرهاب في لندن من دموع ..
كم أوقد الإرهاب لمقتولٍ شموع !!
كم خلّف الإرهاب من قلب جزوع !!
في قلب لندن ..
آه لتفجيرات لندن ..
ثم آه لتفجيرات لندن ..
فجّرت فينا حنيناً وشوقاً للندن ..
استنكر شارون هذا الفعل الجبان ..
وأزبد بوش ، وللفعل أدان ..
وقد عرفنا فتوة المفتي قبل أن يفتي بزمان :
ليس للإرهاب في الدين مكان ..
على المسلمين القتل وللصليبي أمان ..
يُقبَر المسلمين بصمت وهوان ..
كي لا يعرف التاريخُ أين المكان ..
ولجُرح الصليبي ألف بيان وبيان ..
ثم بيان ، وبيان ، وبيان ، وبيان ..
وبيان يتلوه بيان تلو بيان .....
بكى على لندن جميع الثقلان ..
وأظهر العالم إشفاق وحنان ..
الحب ظاهر باد للعيان ..
ولو كنتَ ابن أباك فأسرر بالجِنان ..
بكاء على مسلم في هذا الزمان ..
فقبْل البرق ترى تكبيل اليدان ..
والرجلان ..
إنك لا تبكي على مصاب لندن !!
كيف لا يبكون من حاد الله ، وللقرآن أهان !!
كيف لا يبكون من يهزأ بنبي الإنس وجانّ !!
ألا يبكون من يقتل إخواننا في كل مكان !!
ألا يبكون من يسوم الحرائر ذل وهوان !!
عراقية تخلط ماء بعجين ..
الأطفال جوعى وليس في العجين طحين !!
وهل لطحين من سبيل والزوج سجين !!
في سجن بصرة لندن ..
من فجّر قطارات لندن !!
لا أظنه عراقياً ، فلو كان لزاد على المليون مئين ..
لا أظنه أفغانياً ، إذا لا يُبقي في لندن غير طين ..
لا أظنه فلسطينياً ، إذا لصيّر مبنى البرلمان عجين ..
لا أظنه عربياً ، فللعُرب مع لندن حساب مكين ..
بل لا أظنه مسلما ،
فكيف يبقي مسلم على مخلوق بلندن !!
هل هي أحقاد أفريقيا خرجت بعد عقود من زمن !!
أم أنها آهات آسيا التي زرعت فيها بريطانيا الفتن !!
أم أنها حرب أفيون مع الصين ، فالصين لا تنسى المحن !!
أم هو انتقام الروس أم الآيرش ، واسكوتلاندا تشكو لمن !!
لا بد للإرهاب أن يحنّ للندن ..
على ضفاف النيل من أثيوبيا إلى مصر الحزينة ..
في أدغال أفريقيا وجنوب القارة ذكريات حزينة ..
في الهند في شرق آسيا في غرب أفريقيا السجينة ..
بل في قلب أوروبا للندن أسرار دفينة ..
قِبلة للذكريات لندن ..
دمة على أحداث لندن ..
قتلت مليون ونصف مليون في العراق ،
وقتل الإرهابي خمسين أصفر!!
شرّدت خمس ملايين أفغاني للدمع أراق ،
وقتل الإرهابي خمسين أصفر !!
هتكت أعراض الرجال والنساء الرِّقاق ،
وقتل الإرهابي خمسين أصفر!!
كيف لا أبكي على أحداث لندن ، وليس إلا :
خمسون ينالون الفراق !!
خمسون في قطارت لندن !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بنيّ !!
هكذا قالت عجوز من قندهار ..
أي إرهاب هذا يا بنيّ !!
مساجد تُنسف في وضح النهار ..
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
مصاحفٌ تُمزّق في إقليم طُخار ..
أي إرهاب هذا يا بنيّ !!
خمسون علج وباص وقطار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
وبلير في البرلمان ينهق كال**** !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
والقدس لم ترى بعد القرار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
قرنين من حديدٍ ممزوجٍ بنار
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
آثارهم في سهولٍ وبراري وقفار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
واختك تصرخ من خلف الجدار !!
أي إرهاب هذا يا بني !!
وا حر قلبي ، عقلي فيك حار ..
أتظن الإرهاب قتل خمسين فقط !!
ها هو الكافر الحربي لأنفاسه التقط ..
لم يكن مثل هذا الإرهاب في الإسلام قط ..
أشعِل الأرض نارا وضع على الحروف نقط ..
دينك الإسلام سلام وصفاء
دينك العدل وهدي وضياء
دائهم أنت وهم للكون وباء
أسمِع القوم كلام الأنبياء
ثلاثاً ، ثم أخبرهم بالجزاء
إسلام أو صَغَار أو شقاء
وأعدوا واقتلوا هكذا في القرآن جاء
لك في قتل كل حربي من النار وجاء
لقد قال نبيك أن لكل داء دواء
وقد جاء في الأمثال من غير مراء
داوِها بالتي كانت من قبل داء
ليس في الأمر كبير بحث أو عناء
داء لندن الإرهاب فعجّل بالشفاء
فلتتبع سياسات بليرَ لندن
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From: NarjisFlower Sent: 7/21/2005 6:46 PM
Do not know if anyone is interested, but I am now living in Algeria. I cannot believe the difference between the reality of the people living here and what is portrayed to the American public by the media.
If anyone is interested in my recent adventures, you can email me at this address.
Narjis
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From: Annaba235 Sent: 7/22/2005 7:07 AM
More updates on London's Terror.. 5 minutes Ago..
Police in London shot a man wearing a thick coat at a subway station and cordoned off a mosque on Friday, a day after the city was hit by a second wave of terror attacks in two weeks.
Police had no immediate details on the situation at the mosque in east London. The circumstances of the shooting at Stockwell station were not immediately clear, nor was the man's condition. One witness said he was dead.
British Transport Police said the Northern and Victoria Tube lines, which pass through Stockwell, were suspended because of shooting.
Passengers said they saw police pursuing a man who appeared to be of Pakistani or Indian descent. Some said police shot him when he tripped.
But one witness told the British Broadcasting Corp. that police "pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him."
"He looked like a cornered fox. He looked pertrified," Mark Whitby said, adding that the man appeared to be dead.
Whitby said the man did not appear to be carrying anything but was wearing a thick coat that looked padded.
Another witness said there were at least 20 police officers involved in the chase.
"The next thing I saw was this guy jump over the barriers and the police officers were chasing after him and everyone was just shouting, 'Get out, Get out!'" said Chris Wells, 28.
Subway passenger Briony Coetsee said she heard gunshots shortly after the shouts to get out.
Alistair Drummond, of the London Ambulance Service, said paramedics had been called to the station at 10:10 a.m.
Mohammed Abdul Bari, chairman of the East London Mosque, said the mosque had received a bomb threat by telephone Friday morning.
The bomb squad came and were searching the premises. More than 6,000 people were expected for Friday afternoon prayers but there were only about a dozen people inside at the time of the threat.
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From: Dj. Sent: 7/22/2005 2:06 PM
I have been living in the States for over twenty years now, and I am not sure I could say that there is much media coverage to warrant any kind of expectations when one goes and lives in Algeria. I understand that there was sporatic coverage here and there especially pertainng the last decade, but that did not seem to have any lasting impressions. In fact average Americans, in my experience, do not even know where Algeria is.
Could you please elaborate on what your expectations were, and how you came to the impression that they were not correct?
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Do not know if anyone is interested, but I am now living in Algeria. I cannot believe the difference between the reality of the people living here and what is portrayed to the American public by the media.
If anyone is interested in my recent adventures, you can email me at this address.
Narjis
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From: houari_ Sent: 7/29/2005 6:42 AM
Nobody's Fault
The underlying theme of most Western politicians can be summed up in the phrase "It's not my fault." This is the motto of the Age of Irresponsibility.
Have you ever wondered how, if all the problems we face are nobody's fault, they became problems in the first place? It's been my personal experience that when I tracked down the source of nearly all of my problems, it was me. I was fortunate to grow up when the most commonly heard phrase was "No excuses."
It's the not-my-fault syndrome that explains why both President Bush and Great Britain's Tony Blair react so angrily when someone suggests that terrorist attacks are a response to American and British foreign policy. If they are a response, then obviously the attacks are the fault of the policy-makers.
So, to avoid any share of responsibility whatsoever, both Bush and Blair propagate the line that terrorists are complete nut cases acting purely irrationally because of crazy hatred of our wealth and freedom. This is particularly clever political propaganda since it asserts that we are hated, not for our faults, but for our very virtues.
It's pure hogwash, of course. Anyone who knows anything about the Middle East and terrorism knows that nearly all of the terrorist leaders are university-educated and come from middle-class to upper-class families. Why would bin Laden, himself a multimillionaire, hate wealth? Why would a man who freely chose a life of hardship when he could have been a decadent playboy despise freedom? Bin Laden fought for the freedom of Afghanistan. For whose freedom have Bush and Blair ever fought?
Bin Laden is certainly one of terrorism's wordiest leaders, but in all his speeches and messages of which I'm aware, he's never criticized wealth or freedom. He has been quite specific. He wants the U.S. military presence in the Persian Gulf ended. He criticizes our support for Arab dictators and for Israeli abuses of Palestinians. He wants us out of the Persian Gulf, and he wants an end to Israel.
Now, acknowledging what he believes is not agreeing with him. You can agree or disagree, but it is both stupid and dishonest to deny that bin Laden believes what bin Laden says. The Bush-Blair ploy is the same as if Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill had said of Adolf Hitler, "Well, he's not really anti-Semitic and he's not really interested in controlling Europe, he just hates us Brits and Yanks because we are such virtuous people." The fact is that Hitler followed the plan outlined in "Mein Kampf," the book he wrote before he came to power, almost to the letter. He did or tried to do exactly what he said he would do for the reasons he said made those actions necessary.
It's this irresponsibility that sickens me. I long for a leader with the guts to speak the truth. What's wrong with saying to the American people: "The terrorist attacks against us have nothing to do with Islam. They are a response to our policy of supporting Israel and the Arab governments we like, our military presence in the Persian Gulf, and our decision to attack Iraq. I think our objectives are worth the price, but if you disagree, vote against me in the next election."
It's been so long since honest speech has come out of a politician's mouth, I'd probably faint if I heard any.
It's not just foreign policy. Public education is entirely within the control of politicians, yet they deny any responsibility for its failures. They control Social Security and Medicare and deny any responsibility for the problems in those programs. They vote for the deficits and they write the tax laws, but they deny any responsibility for red ink or impossible-to-understand tax codes.
Insoluble political problems do not exist. The only question we face is, Do we have the brains and guts to preserve our country and its institutions and to demand accountability from our politicians?
By Charley Reese, July 2005
WHEN CAN YOU BE HAPPY IN THIS LIFE???
CutesyMoNaLiSa (Original Message) Sent: 6/27/2005 7:05 AM
Hi
This subject is open to everybody in this group.
We convince ourselves that life will be better after we get married, have a baby, then another.
Then we are frustrated that the kids aren't old enough and we'll be more content when they are.
After that, we're frustrated that we have teenagers to deal with. We will certainly be happy when they are out of that stage.
We tell ourselves that our life will be complete when our spouse gets his or her act together, when we get a nicer car, when we are able to go on a nice vacation or when we retire.
The truth is there's no better time to be happy than right now. If not now, when? Your life will always be filled with challenges.
It's best to admit this to yourself and decide to be happy anyway. Happiness is the way.
So, treasure every moment that you have and treasure it more because you shared it with someone special, special enough to spend your time with ... and remember that time waits for no one.
So, stop waiting ...
Until your car or home is paid off.
Until you get a new car or home.
Until your kids leave the house.
Until you go back to school.
Until you finish school.
Until you lose 10 lbs.
Until you gain 10 lbs.
Until you get married.
Until you get a divorce.
Until you have kids.
Until you retire.
Until summer..
Until spring.
Until winter.
Until fall.
Until you die.
There is no better time than right now to be happy. Happiness is a journey, not a destination.
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From: EvaPetra Sent: 6/29/2005 8:06 AM
Hi,
it is right what do you say. But sometimes we need one person to be happy, and we are alone. So people want to be happy, but they can`t. It s difficult.
Please excuse my bad english, i m from germany. I want to be happy....now in this moment....i don`t want to wait for to be happy, it s heavy.
by, by
petra
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From: Al3ab9ari1 Sent: 6/29/2005 9:57 AM
Brothers and Sisters, Salamun Alaykum.
I hope you do not mind, but I decided to reply to you publicly. I am sure that there are others who feel the way most of us do, and who may benefit from this reply insha'a Allah.
It is the nature of every person to seek happiness. Some people strive to seek material happiness in this world away from religion, thinking that this is the true happiness. But this kind of happiness will be succeeded by pain and sorrow at the Day of Judgment, and its people will know that their striving led them only to misery and not happiness.
While others know that the true way to happiness is to obey Allah and follow His religion. For them the pleasures and riches of the world are of little consequence. When this happiness penetrates and fills the heart of the believer he does in fact live in this world as if he were in Paradise. Those are the people who find true happiness in this world.
What kind of happiness could be greater than that of someone who humbles himself to Allah, worships Him, strives for His pleasure, and strives to enter Paradise and have salvation from Hellfire?
The believer lives with such a sweetness in his heart that if the masters of the earth knew of it, they would fight him to death to take it from him. Allah has said:
Whoever does right, whether male or female, and is a believer, We will make him live a good life, and We will award them their reward for the best of what they used to do. (Quran, 16:97)
مَنْ عَمِلَ صَالِحًا مِنْ ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنْثَى وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ فَلَنُحْيِيَنَّهُ حَيَاةً طَيِّبَةً وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْرَهُمْ بِأَحْسَنِ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ
Happiness is in the good life mentioned in this verse, that even the rich disbelievers cannot find, despite the money they have. That is why we are not surprise when we know that many among them committed suicide.
To reach true happiness, we need to know what is the purpose of our life, how to reach success in the hereafter, and to fulfill the requirements of reaching this success by following the commands of Allah and His true religion.
We know much about Mars, Earth, moon, stars, and galaxies, thanks to the century of knowledge. But how much we know about our eternal life after death and how to reach success in the hereafter?
People need to eat every day to supply their bodies with energy and to keep themselves healthy. If they stop eating for a period of time, diseases will sneak up upon them and overtake them, and perhaps even kill them. Similarly, people also need food of another kind, food for the spirit and heart. It is unfortunate that while people are careful never to forget to feed their bodies, they do not show the same concern for the health of their souls and hearts. The heart needs food as the body does. The diseases of the body and the debilitating effects they have are not more dangerous than the diseases of the heart and soul.
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From: Aminah Sent: 7/1/2005 12:47 PM
السلام عليكم ورحمة اللة وبركاتة
Happiness is a journey, not a destination?
As we make our journey through life, we have so many things to savor and experience. There is no such thing as instant happiness or happiness that can be found somewhere. Live your life each day, the same way you would climb a mountain. An occasional glance towards the summit keeps the goal in mind, but many beautiful scenes are to be observed from each new vantage point.
ومعلمنا محمد ( صلي الله عليه وسلم ) يقول فيما معناه
إعمل لدنياك كأنك تعيش ابدا .. واعمل لأخرتك كأنك تموت غدا
Allah Subhannahu wa ta'aalaa our Mawlaa, and our Naseer described the True believers in Sura 8 verses 2-4, why not apply these in our life ?.
إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ إِذَا ذُكِرَ اللَّهُ وَجِلَتْ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَإِذَا تُلِيَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ آَيَاتُهُ زَادَتْهُمْ إِيمَانًا وَعَلَى رَبِّهِمْ يَتَوَكَّلُونَ (2) الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنْفِقُونَ (3) أُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ حَقًّا لَهُمْ دَرَجَاتٌ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَمَغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
But then again, why not read the entire sura of al-Mu'minuun (sura 23) and see for yourself how Allah (swt) describes the Believers.
قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ (1) الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُونَ (2) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَنِ اللَّغْوِ مُعْرِضُونَ (3) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِلزَّكَاةِ فَاعِلُونَ (4) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ (5) إِلَّا عَلَى أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ (6) فَمَنِ ابْتَغَى وَرَاءَ ذَلِكَ فَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُونَ (7) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِأَمَانَاتِهِمْ وَعَهْدِهِمْ رَاعُونَ (8) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَلَى صَلَوَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ (9) أُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْوَارِثُونَ (10) الَّذِينَ يَرِثُونَ الْفِرْدَوْسَ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
He describes them as successful. In or at what, we may ask. Is it business or financial success? That can be part of it, but it certainly goes way beyond that. The believers achieve spiritual richness and success that lead to happininess in this life as well as in the Hereafter. In order to achieve this success , Allah tells us in sura 23 that the believers are those who:
1. Revere in their salat prayers.
2. Avoid vain talk
3. Give zakat (those with income).
4. Maintain their chastity.
5. Trustworthy and honor their agreements.
6. Regularly observe their salat.
After that, Allah (swt) describes them as the inheritors of paradise. What more can someone ask?
Now when it comes to salat, many people do it mechanically like robots. They do not feel the closeness to Allah (swt) during their salat. This is why Allah stressed two points:
A. Observing it regularly.
B. Reverence while observing it.
Salat and du'aa-supplication is the key by which our direct communication with Allah (swt) opens. When we stand before The Almighty Creator of all things, and when we recite His ayaats, while focusing on the state of closeness with Him, our spirit is overcome with joy and fulfillment. When we do that five times a day, and meditate or supplicate during the night or at dawn, how can we feel alone? How can we feel lost? Allah is the best company for a believer.
We all go through phases of laziness in ibaada-worship.These are usually caused by Satan, whose role in this world is to make us deviate by making our basic worship practices such as salat seem so difficult and inconvenient. Living in a Western country sometimes makes matters even more difficult unless we are surrounded by believers who encourage us to observe our duties towards Allah.
Compare the observance of the month of Ramadan in the US with back home, and you would know what I am talking about as far as the surrounding environment and its effects on you emotionally and spiritually. I am not saying that Islam cannot be practiced to its full in the west, but the key is to keep good company. Good company is those described in sura 23.
It is true that this life is a part of our journey back to Allah (swt).
It is not just a stop, but also the actual journey itself. The destination is Allah and the Hereafter. Our life here on earth, and what we do with it, will determine our place when we meet Our Creator. On that Day, those of us who have fulfilled the commitment to Allah, to worship Him and avoid any form of idolatry, will have no fear, and they will not grieve. What about this life? Do we neglect it because it is temporary? Do we renounce it, as you mentioned the case of the Hindus? No, the answer to that is given to us by Allah:
"Seek with what Allah has bestowed upon you the Hereafter,
and DO NOT FORGET YOUR SHARE of this life. Be charitable
as Allah has been to you. Do not seek mischief-corruption on
earth. Allah does not love the corruptors." 28:77
وَابْتَغِ فِيمَا آَتَاكَ اللَّهُ الدَّارَ الْآَخِرَةَ وَلَا تَنْسَ نَصِيبَكَ مِنَ الدُّنْيَا وَأَحْسِنْ كَمَا أَحْسَنَ اللَّهُ إِلَيْكَ وَلَا تَبْغِ الْفَسَادَ فِي الْأَرْضِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ
Enjoying your life in a righteous manner is something that Allah enjoins us to do. He never told us to renounce, nor neglect our life on earth. Those who refuse the good things that life has to offer are not conforming to the advice of Allah. The good things in life do not involve drinking, drugs, adultry, etc.
I personally prefer a comfortable life, and being surrounded by family and friends, and engaging in common activities such as watching sports, listening to music, appreciating nature, reading, learning all about life and science, and doing anything you like that does not violate Allah's commandments. Doing so, when combined with your awareness of Allah, and appreciating His blessings, and meeting the description given in suras 8 and 23 all leads to happiness in this world.
What is more? It also leads to happiness in the Hereafter because you have fulfilled your commitment to Allah, and focused on His greatness, and commemorated Him every chance you got.
To be close to Allah is not difficult at all. It will take an initiative on our part, and sincerity. The rest will be done by Allah. Put your trust in Him, and He will not let you down.
Allah blesses us, and may He show us the way.
اللهم إني أسألك عيشة هنية و ميتة سوية و مردا غير مخزي و لا فاضح
ربنا آتنا في الدنيا حسنة و في الآخرة حسنة و قنا عذاب النار و صلى الله
على نبينا محمد و على آله و أصحابه الأخيار و سلم تسليما كثيرا
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From: algeria_8 Sent: 7/3/2005 2:46 PM
ٍSalam ,
I will share with you a story which shows the clever decision of a youth on how to live this life. This story is only an example.
There was a country long time ago where the people would change a king every year. The person who would become the king had to agree to a contract that he will be sent to an island after his one year of being a king. So, one king finished his term and it was time for him to go to the island and live there. The people dressed him up in expensive clothes and put him on an elephant and took him around the cities to say goodbye to all the people. This was the moment of sadness for all the kings who ruled for one year. After saying goodbye, the people took the king with a boat to the remote island and left him there. On their way back, they discovered a ship that had sunk just recently. They saw a young man who survived by holding on to a floating piece of wood. As they needed a new king, they picked up the young man and took him to their country. They requested him to be a king for a year. First he refused but later he agreed to be a king. People told him about all the rules and regulations and that how he will be sent to an island after one year.
After three days of being a king, he asked the ministers if they could show him the island where all the other kings were sent. They agreed and took him to the island. The island was covered with thick jungles and sound of vicious animals were heard coming out of them. The king went little bit inside to see how it was and discovered the dead bodies of all the past kings. He understood that as soon as they were left in the island, the animals came and killed them. The king then went back to the country and requested the people to provide him with 100 strong workers. He was provided with 100 workers and he took them to the island and told them to remove all the deadly animals and to cut down all the trees. He would visit the island every month to see how the work is progressing. In the first month, all the animals were removed and many trees were cut down. In the second month, the whole island was cleaned out. The king then told the workers to plant gardens in various parts of the island. He also took with himself useful animals like chickens, ducks, birds, goats, cows etc. In the third month, he ordered the workers to build big houses and docking stations for ships. Over the months, the island turned into a beautiful place. The young king would wear simple clothes and spend very little from his earnings. He sent all the earnings to the island for storage. Nine months have passed like this. The king called the people and told them that "I know that I have to go the island after one year, but I would like to go there right now." But the people didn't agree to this and said that he have to wait for another 3 months to complete the year.
3 months passed and now it was a full year. The people dressed up the young king and put him on an elephant to take him around the country to say goodbye to others. However, this king is unusually happy to leave the kingdom. People asked him, "All the other kings would cry at this moment and why are you laughing?" He replied, "Don't you know what the wise people say? They say that when you came to this world as a baby, you were crying and everyone was smiling. Live such a life that when you are dieing, you will be smiling and everyone around you will be crying. I have lived that life. While all the other kings were lost into the luxuries of the kingdom, I always thought about the future and planned for it. I turned the deadly island into a beautiful abode for me where I can stay peacefully."
We should take a lesson from this story about how we should also live our life. The life of this world is to prepare for the life hereafter. In this life, we shouldn't get lost into the beautiful things of this world and forget about what is to come in the afterlife. Rather, even if we are kings, we should live a simple life like our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and save all our enjoyments for the hereafter. May Allah make it easy for us all.
Hi
This subject is open to everybody in this group.
We convince ourselves that life will be better after we get married, have a baby, then another.
Then we are frustrated that the kids aren't old enough and we'll be more content when they are.
After that, we're frustrated that we have teenagers to deal with. We will certainly be happy when they are out of that stage.
We tell ourselves that our life will be complete when our spouse gets his or her act together, when we get a nicer car, when we are able to go on a nice vacation or when we retire.
The truth is there's no better time to be happy than right now. If not now, when? Your life will always be filled with challenges.
It's best to admit this to yourself and decide to be happy anyway. Happiness is the way.
So, treasure every moment that you have and treasure it more because you shared it with someone special, special enough to spend your time with ... and remember that time waits for no one.
So, stop waiting ...
Until your car or home is paid off.
Until you get a new car or home.
Until your kids leave the house.
Until you go back to school.
Until you finish school.
Until you lose 10 lbs.
Until you gain 10 lbs.
Until you get married.
Until you get a divorce.
Until you have kids.
Until you retire.
Until summer..
Until spring.
Until winter.
Until fall.
Until you die.
There is no better time than right now to be happy. Happiness is a journey, not a destination.
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From: EvaPetra Sent: 6/29/2005 8:06 AM
Hi,
it is right what do you say. But sometimes we need one person to be happy, and we are alone. So people want to be happy, but they can`t. It s difficult.
Please excuse my bad english, i m from germany. I want to be happy....now in this moment....i don`t want to wait for to be happy, it s heavy.
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From: Al3ab9ari1 Sent: 6/29/2005 9:57 AM
Brothers and Sisters, Salamun Alaykum.
I hope you do not mind, but I decided to reply to you publicly. I am sure that there are others who feel the way most of us do, and who may benefit from this reply insha'a Allah.
It is the nature of every person to seek happiness. Some people strive to seek material happiness in this world away from religion, thinking that this is the true happiness. But this kind of happiness will be succeeded by pain and sorrow at the Day of Judgment, and its people will know that their striving led them only to misery and not happiness.
While others know that the true way to happiness is to obey Allah and follow His religion. For them the pleasures and riches of the world are of little consequence. When this happiness penetrates and fills the heart of the believer he does in fact live in this world as if he were in Paradise. Those are the people who find true happiness in this world.
What kind of happiness could be greater than that of someone who humbles himself to Allah, worships Him, strives for His pleasure, and strives to enter Paradise and have salvation from Hellfire?
The believer lives with such a sweetness in his heart that if the masters of the earth knew of it, they would fight him to death to take it from him. Allah has said:
Whoever does right, whether male or female, and is a believer, We will make him live a good life, and We will award them their reward for the best of what they used to do. (Quran, 16:97)
مَنْ عَمِلَ صَالِحًا مِنْ ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنْثَى وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ فَلَنُحْيِيَنَّهُ حَيَاةً طَيِّبَةً وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْرَهُمْ بِأَحْسَنِ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ
Happiness is in the good life mentioned in this verse, that even the rich disbelievers cannot find, despite the money they have. That is why we are not surprise when we know that many among them committed suicide.
To reach true happiness, we need to know what is the purpose of our life, how to reach success in the hereafter, and to fulfill the requirements of reaching this success by following the commands of Allah and His true religion.
We know much about Mars, Earth, moon, stars, and galaxies, thanks to the century of knowledge. But how much we know about our eternal life after death and how to reach success in the hereafter?
People need to eat every day to supply their bodies with energy and to keep themselves healthy. If they stop eating for a period of time, diseases will sneak up upon them and overtake them, and perhaps even kill them. Similarly, people also need food of another kind, food for the spirit and heart. It is unfortunate that while people are careful never to forget to feed their bodies, they do not show the same concern for the health of their souls and hearts. The heart needs food as the body does. The diseases of the body and the debilitating effects they have are not more dangerous than the diseases of the heart and soul.
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From: Aminah Sent: 7/1/2005 12:47 PM
السلام عليكم ورحمة اللة وبركاتة
Happiness is a journey, not a destination?
As we make our journey through life, we have so many things to savor and experience. There is no such thing as instant happiness or happiness that can be found somewhere. Live your life each day, the same way you would climb a mountain. An occasional glance towards the summit keeps the goal in mind, but many beautiful scenes are to be observed from each new vantage point.
ومعلمنا محمد ( صلي الله عليه وسلم ) يقول فيما معناه
إعمل لدنياك كأنك تعيش ابدا .. واعمل لأخرتك كأنك تموت غدا
Allah Subhannahu wa ta'aalaa our Mawlaa, and our Naseer described the True believers in Sura 8 verses 2-4, why not apply these in our life ?.
إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ إِذَا ذُكِرَ اللَّهُ وَجِلَتْ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَإِذَا تُلِيَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ آَيَاتُهُ زَادَتْهُمْ إِيمَانًا وَعَلَى رَبِّهِمْ يَتَوَكَّلُونَ (2) الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنْفِقُونَ (3) أُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ حَقًّا لَهُمْ دَرَجَاتٌ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَمَغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
But then again, why not read the entire sura of al-Mu'minuun (sura 23) and see for yourself how Allah (swt) describes the Believers.
قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ (1) الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُونَ (2) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَنِ اللَّغْوِ مُعْرِضُونَ (3) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِلزَّكَاةِ فَاعِلُونَ (4) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ (5) إِلَّا عَلَى أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ (6) فَمَنِ ابْتَغَى وَرَاءَ ذَلِكَ فَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُونَ (7) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِأَمَانَاتِهِمْ وَعَهْدِهِمْ رَاعُونَ (8) وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَلَى صَلَوَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ (9) أُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْوَارِثُونَ (10) الَّذِينَ يَرِثُونَ الْفِرْدَوْسَ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
He describes them as successful. In or at what, we may ask. Is it business or financial success? That can be part of it, but it certainly goes way beyond that. The believers achieve spiritual richness and success that lead to happininess in this life as well as in the Hereafter. In order to achieve this success , Allah tells us in sura 23 that the believers are those who:
1. Revere in their salat prayers.
2. Avoid vain talk
3. Give zakat (those with income).
4. Maintain their chastity.
5. Trustworthy and honor their agreements.
6. Regularly observe their salat.
After that, Allah (swt) describes them as the inheritors of paradise. What more can someone ask?
Now when it comes to salat, many people do it mechanically like robots. They do not feel the closeness to Allah (swt) during their salat. This is why Allah stressed two points:
A. Observing it regularly.
B. Reverence while observing it.
Salat and du'aa-supplication is the key by which our direct communication with Allah (swt) opens. When we stand before The Almighty Creator of all things, and when we recite His ayaats, while focusing on the state of closeness with Him, our spirit is overcome with joy and fulfillment. When we do that five times a day, and meditate or supplicate during the night or at dawn, how can we feel alone? How can we feel lost? Allah is the best company for a believer.
We all go through phases of laziness in ibaada-worship.These are usually caused by Satan, whose role in this world is to make us deviate by making our basic worship practices such as salat seem so difficult and inconvenient. Living in a Western country sometimes makes matters even more difficult unless we are surrounded by believers who encourage us to observe our duties towards Allah.
Compare the observance of the month of Ramadan in the US with back home, and you would know what I am talking about as far as the surrounding environment and its effects on you emotionally and spiritually. I am not saying that Islam cannot be practiced to its full in the west, but the key is to keep good company. Good company is those described in sura 23.
It is true that this life is a part of our journey back to Allah (swt).
It is not just a stop, but also the actual journey itself. The destination is Allah and the Hereafter. Our life here on earth, and what we do with it, will determine our place when we meet Our Creator. On that Day, those of us who have fulfilled the commitment to Allah, to worship Him and avoid any form of idolatry, will have no fear, and they will not grieve. What about this life? Do we neglect it because it is temporary? Do we renounce it, as you mentioned the case of the Hindus? No, the answer to that is given to us by Allah:
"Seek with what Allah has bestowed upon you the Hereafter,
and DO NOT FORGET YOUR SHARE of this life. Be charitable
as Allah has been to you. Do not seek mischief-corruption on
earth. Allah does not love the corruptors." 28:77
وَابْتَغِ فِيمَا آَتَاكَ اللَّهُ الدَّارَ الْآَخِرَةَ وَلَا تَنْسَ نَصِيبَكَ مِنَ الدُّنْيَا وَأَحْسِنْ كَمَا أَحْسَنَ اللَّهُ إِلَيْكَ وَلَا تَبْغِ الْفَسَادَ فِي الْأَرْضِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ
Enjoying your life in a righteous manner is something that Allah enjoins us to do. He never told us to renounce, nor neglect our life on earth. Those who refuse the good things that life has to offer are not conforming to the advice of Allah. The good things in life do not involve drinking, drugs, adultry, etc.
I personally prefer a comfortable life, and being surrounded by family and friends, and engaging in common activities such as watching sports, listening to music, appreciating nature, reading, learning all about life and science, and doing anything you like that does not violate Allah's commandments. Doing so, when combined with your awareness of Allah, and appreciating His blessings, and meeting the description given in suras 8 and 23 all leads to happiness in this world.
What is more? It also leads to happiness in the Hereafter because you have fulfilled your commitment to Allah, and focused on His greatness, and commemorated Him every chance you got.
To be close to Allah is not difficult at all. It will take an initiative on our part, and sincerity. The rest will be done by Allah. Put your trust in Him, and He will not let you down.
Allah blesses us, and may He show us the way.
اللهم إني أسألك عيشة هنية و ميتة سوية و مردا غير مخزي و لا فاضح
ربنا آتنا في الدنيا حسنة و في الآخرة حسنة و قنا عذاب النار و صلى الله
على نبينا محمد و على آله و أصحابه الأخيار و سلم تسليما كثيرا
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From: algeria_8 Sent: 7/3/2005 2:46 PM
ٍSalam ,
I will share with you a story which shows the clever decision of a youth on how to live this life. This story is only an example.
There was a country long time ago where the people would change a king every year. The person who would become the king had to agree to a contract that he will be sent to an island after his one year of being a king. So, one king finished his term and it was time for him to go to the island and live there. The people dressed him up in expensive clothes and put him on an elephant and took him around the cities to say goodbye to all the people. This was the moment of sadness for all the kings who ruled for one year. After saying goodbye, the people took the king with a boat to the remote island and left him there. On their way back, they discovered a ship that had sunk just recently. They saw a young man who survived by holding on to a floating piece of wood. As they needed a new king, they picked up the young man and took him to their country. They requested him to be a king for a year. First he refused but later he agreed to be a king. People told him about all the rules and regulations and that how he will be sent to an island after one year.
After three days of being a king, he asked the ministers if they could show him the island where all the other kings were sent. They agreed and took him to the island. The island was covered with thick jungles and sound of vicious animals were heard coming out of them. The king went little bit inside to see how it was and discovered the dead bodies of all the past kings. He understood that as soon as they were left in the island, the animals came and killed them. The king then went back to the country and requested the people to provide him with 100 strong workers. He was provided with 100 workers and he took them to the island and told them to remove all the deadly animals and to cut down all the trees. He would visit the island every month to see how the work is progressing. In the first month, all the animals were removed and many trees were cut down. In the second month, the whole island was cleaned out. The king then told the workers to plant gardens in various parts of the island. He also took with himself useful animals like chickens, ducks, birds, goats, cows etc. In the third month, he ordered the workers to build big houses and docking stations for ships. Over the months, the island turned into a beautiful place. The young king would wear simple clothes and spend very little from his earnings. He sent all the earnings to the island for storage. Nine months have passed like this. The king called the people and told them that "I know that I have to go the island after one year, but I would like to go there right now." But the people didn't agree to this and said that he have to wait for another 3 months to complete the year.
3 months passed and now it was a full year. The people dressed up the young king and put him on an elephant to take him around the country to say goodbye to others. However, this king is unusually happy to leave the kingdom. People asked him, "All the other kings would cry at this moment and why are you laughing?" He replied, "Don't you know what the wise people say? They say that when you came to this world as a baby, you were crying and everyone was smiling. Live such a life that when you are dieing, you will be smiling and everyone around you will be crying. I have lived that life. While all the other kings were lost into the luxuries of the kingdom, I always thought about the future and planned for it. I turned the deadly island into a beautiful abode for me where I can stay peacefully."
We should take a lesson from this story about how we should also live our life. The life of this world is to prepare for the life hereafter. In this life, we shouldn't get lost into the beautiful things of this world and forget about what is to come in the afterlife. Rather, even if we are kings, we should live a simple life like our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and save all our enjoyments for the hereafter. May Allah make it easy for us all.
Seeking free advice!
From: djelloul (Original Message) Sent: 6/15/2005 10:41 PM
I am not sure if this is the right place or not to post this message but I will leave it to the site's Manager's own discretion to publish this request or not! .
I beg you to forgive me for this intrusion, for I have been designated to seek help on behalf of an ailing young lady in Algeria who might need an intensive medical treatment to rid of a recurring Bacterial Infection causing her and her family a painful ordeal, since the infection could develop into something incurable, with great damaging effect. I do not feel that it is necessary to publish the medical history, but I ought to indicate that a recuring painful infection began following a hip bone replacement surgery and the placement of Prosthesis.
I hope that none of us will have to go through the same experience the young lady's is silently enduring for several years, and if someone an orthopedist preferably or better yet an Infectious Disease Specialist would be interested to receive the full file to recommend the best way to handle this particular case, that will be very appreciated.
Respectfully,
DJelloul
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From: 8222Velours Sent: 6/20/2005 3:03 AM
Salam Si Djelloul,
Cette jeune fille de quoi elle à besoin exactement ?
Aide matérielle ?, spécialiste qui peut interpréter les résultats ?
Est-ce que le bilan est complêt ?
Quel type d'infection s'agit-il ?
Dans l'attente de te lire.
Amitiés.
Nordine.
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From: djelloul Sent: 6/20/2005 8:12 PM
Cher Nordine,
Votre reponse seule est une indication tres reconfortante et a mon tour, je te remercie d'abord d'avoir lu le message et d'y avoir repondu. Les qualites de l'Algerien demeurent uniques et precieuses: l'Algerien est bon de par sa simple nature.
Assez de bavardage!
La bacterie responsable du mal n'a pas ete decelee , je dirais peut etre plusieurs bacteries. Je sais qu'Il existe des laboratoires en Algerie mais ce que j'ignore c'est bien l'extension ou l'intensite des analyses.
L'histoire commence ainsi:
"Le debut de ses problemes de hanche debute en 1984 ou la malade a fait une epiphysiolyse de la hanche gauche. En 1985 un vissage preventif de la hanche droite a ete realise.
.L'evolution s'est faite vers une coxite bilaterale avec limitation importante des amplitudes articulaires des 2 hanches. en 1988 le principe d'arthroplastic a ete retenu mais a cause de l'age....celui-ci fut differee jusqu'a 1995.
...En 2002 elle fut operee pour la 2eme Prothese malheureusement elle a due etre reprise en 2003 pour ablation de cette derniere suite a un sepsis non jugule par un traitement medical. Aujourd'hui la patiente est tres limitee dans ses activites quotidiennes." Dr. L.O. (Blida)
En plus des douleurs, une infection la visite de temps a autre; chose qui peut compliquer la situation car jusqu'a present les bacteries responsables du mal ne sont pas connues, et il y a des risques possibles d'aggraver la situation si ces bacteries prendraient le dessus pendant une periode plus longue avec toutes les souffances et le danger de complication.
J'ai contacte un Orthopedist Dr Kendrick au Texas qui a demande un bilan complet qu'ils sont en train de reunir afin peut etre de deceler une fois pour toute les bacteries en question et les attaquer par des cultures "fortes" et precises. Au debut nous pensions que le Protheses etaient responsables du mal, mais le Docteur indique que le probleme reside ailleurs (OU?)
Pour revenir au bilan, Dr. Kendrick nous a demande de lui fournir ce qui suit (ce que nous attendons d'Alger)
-Resultat d'un examen sanguin avec precision des nbres de leucocytres disponibles ainsi que le compte (pourcentage) des 5 categories.
-Culture fluide (tissus) pour permettre une etude microbiologique. Celle ci devra lui indiquer le Gram positif et negatif des especes Bact. en question. etc...
Sachant que la patiente n'a pas de prise en charge pour une raison que j'ignore, je ne sais pas a ce point si une aide materielle serait necessaire ou non .. Je n'hesiterais point de demander l'aide de mes freres dans le cas ou cela serait necessaire.
Par ailleurs je suis persuade qu'il existe des Algeriens Specalistes qui se trouvent a l'etranger et qui pourraient aider notre soeur.
Pourquoi a l'etranger? Surtout pour l'equipment et le suivi.
Seulement Je le repete pour l'equipement et le suivi.
Je souhaite que les resultats de l'analyse finale permettrait au Docteur choisi de prescrire des antibiotiques specifiques (pas seulement afin de combattre le mal une fois pour toute.
Jazaka-Allah pour ta reponse.
Ton frere Djelloul
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From: 8222Velours Sent: 6/21/2005 9:22 AM
Cher Djelloul,
Je sais qu'en Algérie les labos utilisent encore les RIA ( Radio-Immuno Assays ), c'est à dire des Kits radio-Actif, qui sont bien d'ailleurs.
Le problême c'est que certains labos ne respectent pas le double échantillonnage pour des raisons de rentabilité ( Et que DIEU me préserve de toute acusation de qui que ce soit ! ), ceci peut et à coup sûr fauser les résultats
Ceci étant, si cher Djelloul cette jeune fille à besoin de qlq'1 ici en europe, je me porte volontaire pour aider avec mes moyens de bord, et à cet égard, je vais te communiquer prochainement une adresse d'une soeur en Algérie qui représente une association ici aux pays-bas, cette association intervient plus particulièrement pour les cas médicaux graves.
Moi même j'ai eu à faire à cette association pour une jeune fille d'Algérie pour une maladie grave mais bien connue.
J'espère t'avoir apporté un plus et enchallah ikoun ghir elkhir.
Témoins s'il te plait pour moi de toute ma solidarité pour cette jeune fille.
Salam.
Nordine.
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From: djelloul Sent: 6/21/2005 10:52 PM
Cher Nordine,
J'apprecie sincerement votre message et vous ferais signe des que je recois les resultats des analyses indiquees. Je vous remercie surtout pour vos pensees et solidarite qui seront transmises aux parents de la jeune fille des que possible, et je peux vous assurer qu'ils seront tres heureux de savoir qu'il existe un peu partout des Algeriens qui pensent a eux. D'ailleurs je vais leur transmettre nos messages par fax demain avec la grace d'Allah.
Tout dependra donc des analyses. Des que cela sera reuni, je leur comuniquerais l'adresse que vous m'indiquerez de l'organisation.
Enfin, je ne vois aucun inconvenient pour vous transmettre les coordonnees de la famille Algerienne en question.
Donc Salam et Qu'Allah soit avec vous!
Djelloul
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From: 8222Velours Sent: 6/22/2005 9:00 AM
Cher Djelloul,
N'hésite surtout pas dès que les analyses sont prêtes fais moi signe.
Comme promis ci-joint les coordonnées de l'association :
STICHTING LILIANE FONDS
Postbus 75
5250 AB VLIJMEN
Tel: 0031 (0) 73 51 19 029.
website : www.lilianefonds.nl
J'ai déjà eu à faire à eux pour, les mêmes raisons c'est à dire un cas médicale en Algérie.
Ils sont bien.
Leur correspondante est une soeur chrétienne du coté de chlef ancienne Masscara.
Si cette famille à besoin d'établir un contacte avec cette association, je me porte volontaire pour faciliter le contacte et la communication.
Voilà cher Djelloul, beaucoup de courage et enchallah on va parvenir à aider notre petite soeur.
Amitiés.
Nordine.
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From: djelloul Sent: 6/22/2005 7:51 PM
Cher Nordine,
Je vous remercie pour l'adresse de l'organisation. Je vais xeroxer notre "conversation" ce week end et transmettre des directives precises a Alger. Je vous tiendrais au courant des progres incha-Allah.
May Allah protects you!
Salam
Djelloul
I am not sure if this is the right place or not to post this message but I will leave it to the site's Manager's own discretion to publish this request or not! .
I beg you to forgive me for this intrusion, for I have been designated to seek help on behalf of an ailing young lady in Algeria who might need an intensive medical treatment to rid of a recurring Bacterial Infection causing her and her family a painful ordeal, since the infection could develop into something incurable, with great damaging effect. I do not feel that it is necessary to publish the medical history, but I ought to indicate that a recuring painful infection began following a hip bone replacement surgery and the placement of Prosthesis.
I hope that none of us will have to go through the same experience the young lady's is silently enduring for several years, and if someone an orthopedist preferably or better yet an Infectious Disease Specialist would be interested to receive the full file to recommend the best way to handle this particular case, that will be very appreciated.
Respectfully,
DJelloul
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From: 8222Velours Sent: 6/20/2005 3:03 AM
Salam Si Djelloul,
Cette jeune fille de quoi elle à besoin exactement ?
Aide matérielle ?, spécialiste qui peut interpréter les résultats ?
Est-ce que le bilan est complêt ?
Quel type d'infection s'agit-il ?
Dans l'attente de te lire.
Amitiés.
Nordine.
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From: djelloul Sent: 6/20/2005 8:12 PM
Cher Nordine,
Votre reponse seule est une indication tres reconfortante et a mon tour, je te remercie d'abord d'avoir lu le message et d'y avoir repondu. Les qualites de l'Algerien demeurent uniques et precieuses: l'Algerien est bon de par sa simple nature.
Assez de bavardage!
La bacterie responsable du mal n'a pas ete decelee , je dirais peut etre plusieurs bacteries. Je sais qu'Il existe des laboratoires en Algerie mais ce que j'ignore c'est bien l'extension ou l'intensite des analyses.
L'histoire commence ainsi:
"Le debut de ses problemes de hanche debute en 1984 ou la malade a fait une epiphysiolyse de la hanche gauche. En 1985 un vissage preventif de la hanche droite a ete realise.
.L'evolution s'est faite vers une coxite bilaterale avec limitation importante des amplitudes articulaires des 2 hanches. en 1988 le principe d'arthroplastic a ete retenu mais a cause de l'age....celui-ci fut differee jusqu'a 1995.
...En 2002 elle fut operee pour la 2eme Prothese malheureusement elle a due etre reprise en 2003 pour ablation de cette derniere suite a un sepsis non jugule par un traitement medical. Aujourd'hui la patiente est tres limitee dans ses activites quotidiennes." Dr. L.O. (Blida)
En plus des douleurs, une infection la visite de temps a autre; chose qui peut compliquer la situation car jusqu'a present les bacteries responsables du mal ne sont pas connues, et il y a des risques possibles d'aggraver la situation si ces bacteries prendraient le dessus pendant une periode plus longue avec toutes les souffances et le danger de complication.
J'ai contacte un Orthopedist Dr Kendrick au Texas qui a demande un bilan complet qu'ils sont en train de reunir afin peut etre de deceler une fois pour toute les bacteries en question et les attaquer par des cultures "fortes" et precises. Au debut nous pensions que le Protheses etaient responsables du mal, mais le Docteur indique que le probleme reside ailleurs (OU?)
Pour revenir au bilan, Dr. Kendrick nous a demande de lui fournir ce qui suit (ce que nous attendons d'Alger)
-Resultat d'un examen sanguin avec precision des nbres de leucocytres disponibles ainsi que le compte (pourcentage) des 5 categories.
-Culture fluide (tissus) pour permettre une etude microbiologique. Celle ci devra lui indiquer le Gram positif et negatif des especes Bact. en question. etc...
Sachant que la patiente n'a pas de prise en charge pour une raison que j'ignore, je ne sais pas a ce point si une aide materielle serait necessaire ou non .. Je n'hesiterais point de demander l'aide de mes freres dans le cas ou cela serait necessaire.
Par ailleurs je suis persuade qu'il existe des Algeriens Specalistes qui se trouvent a l'etranger et qui pourraient aider notre soeur.
Pourquoi a l'etranger? Surtout pour l'equipment et le suivi.
Seulement Je le repete pour l'equipement et le suivi.
Je souhaite que les resultats de l'analyse finale permettrait au Docteur choisi de prescrire des antibiotiques specifiques (pas seulement afin de combattre le mal une fois pour toute.
Jazaka-Allah pour ta reponse.
Ton frere Djelloul
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From: 8222Velours Sent: 6/21/2005 9:22 AM
Cher Djelloul,
Je sais qu'en Algérie les labos utilisent encore les RIA ( Radio-Immuno Assays ), c'est à dire des Kits radio-Actif, qui sont bien d'ailleurs.
Le problême c'est que certains labos ne respectent pas le double échantillonnage pour des raisons de rentabilité ( Et que DIEU me préserve de toute acusation de qui que ce soit ! ), ceci peut et à coup sûr fauser les résultats
Ceci étant, si cher Djelloul cette jeune fille à besoin de qlq'1 ici en europe, je me porte volontaire pour aider avec mes moyens de bord, et à cet égard, je vais te communiquer prochainement une adresse d'une soeur en Algérie qui représente une association ici aux pays-bas, cette association intervient plus particulièrement pour les cas médicaux graves.
Moi même j'ai eu à faire à cette association pour une jeune fille d'Algérie pour une maladie grave mais bien connue.
J'espère t'avoir apporté un plus et enchallah ikoun ghir elkhir.
Témoins s'il te plait pour moi de toute ma solidarité pour cette jeune fille.
Salam.
Nordine.
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From: djelloul Sent: 6/21/2005 10:52 PM
Cher Nordine,
J'apprecie sincerement votre message et vous ferais signe des que je recois les resultats des analyses indiquees. Je vous remercie surtout pour vos pensees et solidarite qui seront transmises aux parents de la jeune fille des que possible, et je peux vous assurer qu'ils seront tres heureux de savoir qu'il existe un peu partout des Algeriens qui pensent a eux. D'ailleurs je vais leur transmettre nos messages par fax demain avec la grace d'Allah.
Tout dependra donc des analyses. Des que cela sera reuni, je leur comuniquerais l'adresse que vous m'indiquerez de l'organisation.
Enfin, je ne vois aucun inconvenient pour vous transmettre les coordonnees de la famille Algerienne en question.
Donc Salam et Qu'Allah soit avec vous!
Djelloul
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From: 8222Velours Sent: 6/22/2005 9:00 AM
Cher Djelloul,
N'hésite surtout pas dès que les analyses sont prêtes fais moi signe.
Comme promis ci-joint les coordonnées de l'association :
STICHTING LILIANE FONDS
Postbus 75
5250 AB VLIJMEN
Tel: 0031 (0) 73 51 19 029.
website : www.lilianefonds.nl
J'ai déjà eu à faire à eux pour, les mêmes raisons c'est à dire un cas médicale en Algérie.
Ils sont bien.
Leur correspondante est une soeur chrétienne du coté de chlef ancienne Masscara.
Si cette famille à besoin d'établir un contacte avec cette association, je me porte volontaire pour faciliter le contacte et la communication.
Voilà cher Djelloul, beaucoup de courage et enchallah on va parvenir à aider notre petite soeur.
Amitiés.
Nordine.
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From: djelloul Sent: 6/22/2005 7:51 PM
Cher Nordine,
Je vous remercie pour l'adresse de l'organisation. Je vais xeroxer notre "conversation" ce week end et transmettre des directives precises a Alger. Je vous tiendrais au courant des progres incha-Allah.
May Allah protects you!
Salam
Djelloul
Innovation - beda'a - بدعة
From: basyb (Original Message) Sent: 3/8/2005 9:44 AM
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Check this out !
Astagfirullah, what is happening, this is just nonsense .
In my opinion this is an innovation (beda'a) and a very dangerous one indeed, as we have never ever heard about women leading mixed prayers, if a woman wants to lead a Jummah prayer then I think there can be special masjids for women only where the imam can be a woman. but for women to lead men in prayers, I think that never happened.
Event Description:
On Friday, March 18, 2005, Dr. Amina Wadud, professor of Islamic studies at Virginia Commonwealth University, will be the first woman to lead a public, mixed-gender Friday prayer.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/events/archives/2005/03/friday_prayer_l.php
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From: CriminalLalmaselfartas Sent: 3/12/2005 12:36 PM
Salam alikom,
Basyb if it has not happened at the time of the prophet, "as the prophet could never forget to mention it for the next generation" then this is beda3 otherwise then it is allowed.
As it is known in Islam, god created Adam and then created eve from his rib to share life with him because he was getting annoyed alone. god sent our ancestors on earth to worship him, women who are muslims knows that very well, those who does not believe or sold their soul to the evil would deny it. the task of men and women on earth are divin, alterations would lead to the hell.
salam alikom
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From: عربي_________للأبد Sent: 3/13/2005 9:11 AM
رفض الشرع لإمامة المرأة في الصلاة."لا تؤم المرأة الرجال ولا
الصبيان، إنما تكون إمامة للنساء فقط، وتقف وسطهن".
النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال{أخروهن من حيث أخرهن الله}.هذا هو
الإرهاب والعنف ضد الشريعة الإسلامية.لا صلاة لرجل وراء امرأة.
حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل
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From: basyb Sent: 3/13/2005 2:25 PM
As-Salamu `alaykoum:
Dear friend Lalmas I maintain Prohibiting women from leading the prayers is an innovation derived from the effect of male dominated cultures on Islam. Needless to say, the Quran does not advocate such sexist preferential treatment.
"why do women have to pray behind men in Islam?"
Because the Prophet said so, upon him blessings and peace:
1. "Lo! Let absolutely no woman lead a man in prayer!"
Arabic:
"Ala la ta'ummanna imra'atun rajulan."
Ibn Majah, Abu Ya`la, `Abd ibn Humayd in his Musnad, Abu Nu`aym in the Hilya with different chains from Jabir, and al-Tabarani in al-Awsat from Abu Sa`id al-Khudri.
2. "No nation shall succeed that is led by a woman." Al-Bukhari and Muslim from Abu Bakrah, Allah be well-pleased with him.
This is even more binding in Salat, since the imamate of Salat requires a far more slavish imitation and following than the greater imamate. Further, the imamate of prayer is a delegatory function of the latter.
3. "The best of the men's prayer-rows is the first and the worst the last, while the best of the women's prayer-rows is the last and the worst is the first." Muslim, the Sunan, and Ahmad from Abu Hurayra, Jabir, and Abu Sa`id al-Khudri, Allah be well-pleased with them.
I.e. the contrary of imamate, which means "leading from the front."
4. `Ali said, Allah be well-pleased with him:
"A woman does not lead as imam." Mudawwana, I`la' al-Sunan.
Imam al-Bayhaqi mentioned all the above but the last in his Sunan and said: "This is also the School of the Seven Jurists of Madina among the Tabi`in then those that followed them."
This is also the position of the Four Schools. More, Ibn Hazm in Maratib al-Ijma` and Ibn Qattan al-Fasi in al-Iqna` fi Masa'il al-Ijma` listed it among the rulings that muster unanimous consensus :
"They concur one and all that a woman cannot lead men in prayer with their knowledge of her being a woman and, if they do, their prayer is invalid by consensus."
Second, it would not be right for one upon whom congregation is not incumbent to lead one upon whom it is obligatory.
Third, the best salat of a woman is in her house without contest, and it is not right that the leader of the Salat be precluded from excellence to begin with.
"why can't women be Imams or Khateebs?"
Both the imamate and khutba belong to those that can lead men in prayer and are subject to the same restrictions.
As for the claim that some of the defunct schools allowed it:
Al-Tabari, al-Muzani, Abu Thawr, and some of the Hanbalis allowed it ONLY in Tarawih AND only if none of the men present knows any Qur'an AND if the woman leads from behind the men's rows - i.e. the contrary of imamate, which means "leading from the front"! See: Ibn Qudama, Mughni; Ibn al-Jawzi, Ahkam al-Nisa'; al-San`ani, Subul al-Salam; al-Shawkani, Nayl al-Awtar; al-Tahanawi, I`la' al-Sunan; `Itr, I`lam al-Anam.
The preceding shows that the clause forwarded by Ibn Hazm and endorsed by Ibn Qattan - as cited above - is inexact; more precise is the qualified wording of the vizier Ibn Hubayra (d. 560) in his manual Ikhtilaf al-A'immat al-Arba`a:
"They concurred unanimously that the leadership of women over men in Salat is impermissible *in the obligatory prayers*."
This is confirmed by the wording of I`la' al-Sunan (4:252), which proceeds to reject the qualification and - rightly - extends the impermissibility to non-obligatory prayers as well. I.e. it is is impermissible across the board.
As for the (weak) hadith of Umm Waraqa in Abu Dawud and Ahmad, then al-Daraqutni's wording has it that the Prophet upon him peace allowed her to lead *the women* of her household in prayer. Ibn Qudama, Mughni. Regardless of this specification, the understanding of the Jumhur is that the hadith excludes men. Note that it reaches us through two unknowns, one of them a woman, from Umm Waraqa.
Even if the hadith includes the men, it remains that this dispensation was (a) for non-obligatory prayers only - since men are required to pray obligatory prayers in the congregational mosque - and (b) for the privacy of a single *household,* as further corroborated by the fact that the news of this hadith does not come to us except through unknowns.
Whoever claimed that "ahla dariha" in the hadith means "the people of her neighborhood or village" are ignorant of the Arabic language.(*)
(*) Or the same liars that claimed "a woman named Ghazala led her male warriors in prayer in Kufa after having controlled the city for a day" when the historians only related that when her Khariji husband entered Kufa she went to the mosque and prayed two rak`ats which she had vowed to pray there - alone - in which she recited al- Baqara and Al `Imran. What should have been far more significant to feminist would-be readers of Islamic history is that the Khawarij gave this Ghazala a share in the spoils of war, IN VIOLATION OF THE PROPHETIC SUNNA with regard to women that took part in the (righteous!) military campaigns of the Companions.
To go back to the hadith of Umm Waraqa:
Since this hadith is the only proof of those that allowed a woman's imamate in non-obligatory prayers, it follows that even so, there is no reliable proof for such a position.
Furthermore, the most knowledgeable woman in creation - `A'isha, Allah be well-pleased with her - preferred to pray Tarawih (a) in her house (b) behind a male (c) non-memorizer (d) slave. More, he read from an open mus-haf as he led her and her household in Salat. Muwatta'.
# If there had been a permission for women to lead men in Tarawih, `A'isha would have been the first to practice it and, short of practicing it, she would have been bound to communicate it to the Umma. #
Hence, precaution in the fist Pillar of worship dictates that we not leave the established authentic and explicit textual proofs nor the consensus of the mass-transmitted Schools for desperate interpretations of a weak report and the errings of defunct schools and weak positions being cut and pasted by feminists and modernists. And Allah knows best.
For your information CriminalalmasFertas, there is a new fetwa in islamonline
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and another audio file,
SunniPath Audio: Women Leading Prayers and the Way of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) <-----< << اضغط هنا >>
om: عربي_________للأبد Sent: 3/17/2005 11:08 AM
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الحمدلله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين جزاك الله كل خير جزاك الله كل خير وجعلها فى ميزان حسناتك لهدا المجهود خويا بسيب
I read the article on the website link that says that on the 18th of April Dr. Amina Wadud will lead the Friday prayer in one of the mosques in New York!! The news wasn't only terrifying but also horrible...!
قرأت يوم الاثنين الماضي على احد المواقع الالكترونية مقال نصه : " في يوم 18/4 ستؤم الدكتورة أمينه ودود صلاه الجمعة في احد مساجد نيويورك . لم يكن الخبر فقد مريعا بل كان مقززا!
How could a Muslim come with this kind of idea ?! the supporters of this idea don't deny that this step is unprecedented in Islam history . According to what Allah (SWT) said
كيف يأتي من ينتمي للإسلام بمثل هذه الأفكار وقد أمرنا الله: ما أتاكم به الرسول فاتوا منه استطعتم وما نهاكم عنه فانتهوا.
(And what the Prophet giveth you take it and what he doesn't don't) Ch: Al-Hashr, Verse:7
The Prophet never allowed a woman to lead a prayer of mixed genders, but only a prayer where all performers are women. This article is to warn the Muslims from praying behind that Dr. Amina Wadud
كما انه لم يسمح الرسول لمرآة قط بإمامة الصلاة المختلطة في عهده، الا ان كان كل مؤدوها من النساء .. انما هذا المقال ليحذركم من الصلاة خلف تلك المدعوة امينة ودود
Below are the quotations and Sayings of renowned Muslim Scholars:
هذه أقوال واقتباسات من آراء العلماء المسلمين والائمة المعتمدين :
There are nine conditions for leading a Friday Prayer in a mosque or in a company (salat aljama'a), plus two other conditions that the four Imams (Abu Hanifah- Al-Shafaai - ibn Hanbal - Al-Maleki) got views on. However, all views are miles away from our issue above.
هناك 9 شروط يجب أن تتوافر لإمامة صلاة الجمعة في المساجد أو أماكن العمل ( صلاة الجماعة ) ، وهناك شرطين آخرين تنوعت فيهما آراء الأئمة الأربعة ( ابو حنيفة ، الشافعى ، ابن حنبل ، والملكى )، ورغم تنوعها إلا أنها بعيده كل البعد عن طرح مثل هذه الفكرة ( إمامة المرأة )
The nine conditions according to Sunnah and Scholars are mentioned below:
ومما يلي بيان بالشروط التسع لأمامة الصلاة وفقا لمنهج أهل السنة والجماعة
1- Islam: the Imam must be a Muslim, no prayer is accepted if the Imam is a Jew or Christian or Infidel...etc.
أن يكون مسلما : يجل أن يكون الأمام مسلما ، ولا تقبل الصلاة من يهودي أو نصراني أو كافر... الخ
2- Mentality: the Imam can't be crazy or demented.سلامة العقل: يجب أن يكون عاقلا وليس بمجنون أو مخبولا
3- Maturity: the Imam must be mature.
بالغا: يجب أن يكون الأمام بالغا
4- Manhood: the Imam can't be a female
الذكورة : يجب أن يكون الأمام رجلا
5- Purity: the Imam must be pure from dirt at the time of prayer.
الطهارة : يجب أن يكون طاهرا ونظيفا من اى دنس عند الصلاة
6- Mastery of recite.
ما هرا بالقرآن : يجب أن يكون الأمام ماهرا بالقرآن
7- The Imam must be at lead (No one in front of him).
أن يكون في أول الصف ولا يتقدمه احد
8- Safety against excuses.
عدم العذر الموجب للتخلف عنها
9- Authentic Speech Imam
أن يكون محدثا صادقا
So how could any Muslim argue with the scholars regarding these
فكيف بالله عليكم أن يجادل اى مسلم في هذه الأصول والقواعد
conditions?! aren't the five condition clear enough to prevent any female engagement in Prayer leading ?!
أليست هذه التعليمات واضحة بالدرجة التي يتوجب معها وقف انخراط النساء في الإمامة !
This is not a discrimination against our sisters! Prophet (PBUH) said women are sisters of men. We just can not overload women in the name of "Women Rights" and the propaganda that is coming from the west.
هذه ليس محاولة تفرقة بين النساء والرجال ، فقد قال الرسول صلى الله عليه سلم النساء شقائق الرجال ، ولكننا لا نريد تحميل المرأة أكثر مما اوجبه الله عليها بحجة حقوق المرأة والدعاية المغرضة التي تهب علينا من الغرب
I hope this post reaches every Muslim in America and that they demonstrate adequate responsibility to prevent this event and to ensure the non recurrence of this bida'a .
آمل ان يصل هذا النداء إلى جميع المسلمين في أمريكا وان يظهروا القدر الكافي من المسئولية لوقف مثل هذا الفعل والتأكد من عدم محاولة تكراره .
We urge Muslims who read this article to inform everyone they know to prevent praying behind that woman. This is an awful Bida'a that has no reward but hellfire; every Bid'a is a perversion and every perversion is in hellfire
نهيب بالمسلمين الذين يقرأون هذا النداء ونناشدهم بان يمتنعوا عن الصلاة خلف هذه المدعوة أمينة ودود
أنها بدعة شنيعة، وكل بدعة ضلاله وكل ضلاله في النار !
صدق رسول الله
بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَآلُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ
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From: CriminalLalmaselfartas Sent: 3/18/2005 11:52 AM
Djazaka lahou khayran,
There is a gulf trying to eradicate the Islam entirely, first invading IRAK, and to justify or strengthen their deed, they have to eradicate the Islam.
To their View if the Islam does not disappear then it will prevail, since their action with bombarding Irak, they want to label Irak to |terrorists and terrorism to Islam and make sense to their planing, they make fun of us through the media: films,thearters, even famous actors like Robert de niro making jokes with muslim names, the enemy of god are recruiting Mulims who wants to convert to satanic religion every muslim who wants to make big bucks nowadays tell him that America needs him, like if their money is gonna buy him the paradise.
Now these devils are trying to introduce something that has never happened before woman leading in prayer, in the future you can expect many things coming from them they will never stop, they will get even worse, what they don't know is that they are the losers. many famous persons lived and died like nero, julius cesar, where did they go??? may be they think their position on earth would mean anything to the after death the higher in rank you get the safest you will be with god.
Salam alikom
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From: basyb Sent: 3/19/2005 8:25 AM
Salam alikoum, wach rak Lalmas, j'espere que tu as resolu ton probleme ( la methode proposee par Houari est infaillible "root analysis").I used to deal with the root cause analysis methodology which is guided by rules of causal logic, and provides a logic check at each step in the analysis to make sure that all root causes have been accounted for.
Lalmas, avant de cloturer ce sujet "Innovation-beda'a", je tiens a partager avec nos aimables membres de la communaute les dires et les avis de certains ulemas tres connus dans le monde musulman.
*** Can a Muslim Woman Lead a Public Mixed-Gender Friday Prayer ? ***
*** Answered by World's most prominent Scholars of Islaam ***
*** Refutation of Dr. Amina Wadud and her 'Aqeedah ***
Question to
Al-'Allamah Abdul-Azeez Ibn Abdullaah Aal Shaykh
Grand Mufti of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Chairman of Council of Senior Scholars.
Chairman of Permanent committee of Islamic Research and Fatawaa
It was reported in Sharq-al-Ausat newspaper that next Friday there will be a Friday prayer with a mixed congregation of men and women, led by a woman. What are your comments on this?
Answer:
By Allah, if the people have reached this level – if the people have lowered themselves to this level, this is evil upon evil. A woman is not permitted to lead a man in prayers. If a woman has reached a level where she desires to lead men and women in prayers, it should be known that her purpose and the purpose of her followers in doing this is not to bring good, rather it is to wage war against Allah and His Messenger. They have not established this Friday prayer except as a stubborn rejection of the truth, and an invitation to evil, and a deterrent from the teachings of Islam. It has not been recorded in Islamic history that a woman led men in prayers, and it was never done. So how can these people come and establish a Friday prayer with men and women mixed together, and a woman leading the prayer? This is in reality a most repulsive matter, and it is evil upon evil. The people who wish to establish this only want, as Allah mentioned: (translation) “And as for those who put up a mosque by way of harming and disbelief, and to disunite the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allâh and His Messenger aforetime.” (At-Tawbah 9:107)
This Friday prayer is invalid, and it is not permissible for a Muslim to attend it.
Question to
Shaykh Saalih Fawzaan Al-Fawzan
Member of Council of Senior Scholars
Member of Lajnah Ad-Daaimah
It was reported in Al-Riyadh newspaper that a woman who claims to be a caller to Islam will lead men and women in prayer this Friday, as well as deliver the sermon, as part of the women’s liberation movement. This issue has received wide acceptance and support from ignorant people, specifically from outside these Muslim lands. What is the Islamic position on this, and has any one of the scholars of Fiqh allowed for a woman to lead a mixed congregation of men and women?
Answer:
I do not know of anyone who allowed women to lead men in prayer. It is permissible for women to lead other women only. It was narrated in the Sunnah that Umm Waraqah led the women of her household by the command of the Prophet. As for women leading men, this has never been reported. A woman praying in congregation is required to stand behind the men’s rows, and it is not even permissible for her to stand at the same level of the men’s rows. So if it is not permissible for women even to stand in the men’s rows, then how can it be permissible for a woman to stand in front of the men’s rows during prayers?
Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin Al-Abbad reply to this
Q1.
There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1.
The answer to this question is that it is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayers. It is not obligatory for women to pray in the mosques, as it is for men, but if women attend the mosques, they must stay far from the men, as is understood from the Hadith of Abu Hurairah, narrated in Muslim, where the Prophet said : “The best row for men is the first one, and the worst one is the last one, and the best row for women is the last one, and the worst one is the first one.” So when a woman comes to the mosque, she must keep far from the men in obedience to the command of the Prophet. This is not from customs or cultural practices as mentioned in the question, rather it is the Sunnah of the Prophet, and that we mentioned is authentic, narrated by Muslim. So the prayer of a woman as a leader for men is not permissible, and if they performed their prayer behind a woman, then this prayer is not valid. It is not permissible for the people to appoint a woman as a leader for prayers, but rather it is obligatory that they prevent her from doing so. The Muslim is required to fully submit to all the orders of Allah and His Prophet. Allah says: (translation) “It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter that they should have any choice in their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has surely strayed into clear error.” And Allah says: (translation) “Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you from, refrain (from it). And fear Allah. Surely Allah is severe in punishment.” And He says: (translation): “So let those beware who dissent from his (the Prophet’s) order, lest a trial strike them, or a painful punishment.” These are clear texts from the Quran that prove that it is obligatory for a Muslim to hold fast to the commands of Allah, and it is not permissible to go against the rulings of Allah and do something that is forbidden. And it has never been recorded in history that a woman ever led men in prayers. So in conclusion, this is a matter that is evil, and an act that is forbidden. It is not permissible for the people to appoint her to lead the prayers, and it is necessary that a man leads them instead. Also, the women should be completely separated from the men, according to the authentic Hadith that we mentioned before. And Allah knows best.
Q2.
This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibility of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2.
Whoever rejects any ruling of Allah, like the ruling mandating amputation of the hand of a thief - whoever rejects these rulings and says that they are brutal has committed apostasy from Islam and has denied what has been revealed in the Quran. The ruling for such a person is that he or she is an apostate, and it is obligatory to kill such a person. The Prophet said : “Whoever (among the Muslims) changes his religion, kill him.”
Q3.
This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. This statement is apostasy from Islam. It is not permissible to say “No” to the Quran. Rather, it is obligatory to say “We hear and we obey.” Allah says: (translation) “It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter that they should have any choice in their affair.” What this woman has said is not from the words of the Muslims, rather it is from the words of the apostates from Islam, who are at war with Islam. As for the Muslim, he has no choice but to fully accept and submit to the commands of Allah and His Messenger.
Q4.
When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages? What do you say about this?
A4.
This is in opposition to the natural state in which Allah created people. If it is true that his woman made such a statement, then she is far from Islam, and not from among the Muslims. Rather she is from among the disbelievers and apostates. If it is true that she made these statements, then each one of these statements takes her out of the fold of Islam. The statement she made about amputation of the thief’s hand being brutal is a statement of disbelief and apostasy. Likewise, the statement she made about saying “No” to the Quran when one’s whims don’t agree with it, is a statement of disbelief and apostasy. Also, the statement she made supposrting same-sex relationships is a statement that is totally in opposition to the natural state in which Allah created the people.
Q5.
This woman says that it is the right of women to sit with men in the main hall of the mosque, without any barrier, and it is the right of women to participate in all activities normally reserved for men, such as leading the prayers, etc... What is the correct position in this matter?
A5.
A woman is prohibited from mixing with men. When the Prophet would lead the people in prayer, and women would attend the mosque, he would stay with the men in the mosque for a period of time after the prayer was over, so the women would have time to leave without having to mix with the men. Then, after the women left, the Prophet would leave with the men, and the purpose of this was to avoid mixing between men and women. So how can this woman or other than her feel that they have the right to mix with the opposite sex and participate in activities that are reserved for men? A woman is not allowed to hold a position of leadership, as the Prophet said: “A nation that gives a woman leadership over their affair will never succeed.” As I mentioned before, a Muslim has no choice but to fully accept and submit to the commands of Allah.
Shaykh Saalih Ibn Muhammed Al-Luhaydaan
Member of Council of Senior Scholars
Member of Lajnah Ad-Daaimah
Q1. There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1. All Praise is due to Allah, and peace and blessings be on His Messenger who delivered the message, fulfilled the trust given to him, advised the nation, and left us on a clear path. Nobody deviates from this path except that he is religiously destroyed.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained to us what was revealed to him by Allah in the Quran. Allah revealed the Quran as a clarification for all things, and He ordered His prophet to explain to the people what has been revealed to them by their Lord. And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fulfilled this duty and clarified all issues. He never made a woman a leader of prayers for men. Allah says: (translation) "Men are the care-takers of women" And when He mentioned the relationship between men and women, He made clear that men are favored over women.
With regards to acts of worship, however, it is necessary for women to carry out the same obligations as men. For instance, women are required to observe all the daily prayers, just as men are. This obligation is never waived except if a woman is menstruating or in the period of post-childbirth bleeding.
It is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayers, as it is not permissible for her to deliver a Friday sermon. A woman is not allowed to be a leader for men in obligatory or supererogatory prayers. She is only permitted to lead other women in prayers, and while she is doing this, she should stay in the middle of the first row of women she is leading, and she should not come in front of them.
What I have mentioned here is the opinion of the majority of Islamic scholars, past and present. And it is not proper for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to innovate into this religion what Allah and His Messenger have not allowed.
This professor you mentioned, perhaps intends to deliver a Friday sermon, or perhaps she would like to lead the people in the Friday prayer. This is a matter that is not permissible in Islamic law. No evidence can be found to support her position in the Quran, the Sunnah, the sayings of the companions and their followers, or the sayings of the people of knowledge. If this woman is Muslim, then it is obligatory for her to comply to the rulings set by Islam, and to follow the guidance of the Mothers of the Believers, and the women of the companions, may Allah be pleased with them all.
I do not know of anyone from any period of time who has allowed a woman to lead the people in Friday prayers or deliver a Friday sermon. This never occurred during the time of the rightly-guided caliphs, which was the peak of the Islamic nation, nor during the Umayyah or Abbasi dynasties. Actually, it never occurred during any time whatsoever. So there is no doubt that this is clear misguidance, and we ask Allah to guide that woman, and those who accept her position, to the truth.
Q2. This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibility of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2. One who denies a ruling that is clearly stated in the Quran becomes a disbeliever, and leaves the fold of Islam. Allah says (translation) "The male and female thief -- cut off their hands." However, for this ruling to be carried out, certain conditions must be met. For instance it should be clear that the thief didn't mistakenly take money that he thought was his. Also, if a Muslim takes money from the Muslim public treasury, his hand is not to be cut off, rather he is to be punished in a way that will deter himself and others from committing this crime in the future.
When people start to deny the laws that the Quran has set, then they have actually started to leave Islam and remove it's companionship from their necks. And by doing so, there is a great evil and misguidance, its extent known only to Allah.
Q3. This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. One who makes this statement has fallen into a dangerous situation. The Quran was revealed in the language of the Arabs, and it is completely understood in the language of the Arabs, except for the matters of the unseen, and this was explained by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). As for those who follow the unclear verses in the Quran, they are the people whose hearts have deviated from the straight path. In the Quran there are verses that are understandable to any Arab who can read and understand the Arabic language. There are other verses that deal with detailed rulings, and these have been explained by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Allah says (translation) "that you (O Prophet) explain to the people what has been revealed to them." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fulfilled this duty and explained everything. Allah also mentioned about the Quran (translation) "In it are verses that are precise -- they are the foundation of the Book, and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation, the will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation (suitable to them)." These are the people of misguidance. As for those who have firm knowledge, they say "We believe in it, all of it is from our Lord." As for the idea of rejecting the verses of the Quran that one does not understand, it should be known that recitation of the Quran is an act of worship, even if the reciter does not understand what he is reading. If he is able to read and understand what he is reading, then he has been given a great blessing. Intentionally rejecting a verse from the Quran, and firmly resolving not to accept it, is actually firmly resolving to leave Islam. This is something that none of the people of knowledge have ever agreed to. The Quran was revealed as a clarification for all things, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained these things to us in his Sunnah. The Sunnah of the Prophet clarifies what is difficult to understand in the Quran. It limits, specifies, and clarifies certain rulings. Furthermore, the Quran cannot be understood by all people. A person with greater understanding of the Arabic language can comprehend the general verses of the Quran better than others. Whoever deviates from this understanding has deviated from the straight path, and taken the other paths that lead to misguidance. Allah says (translation): "And surely this is My straight path, so follow it, and do not follow the (other) ways, for you will be separated from His way." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) once was with his companions, and he drew a straight line. He drew to the left and right many crooked lines. He then said that the straight line was the path of Allah, whereas the crooked lines were the other paths, with each one having a devil calling to it. Then he recited the previously mentioned verse: (translation) "And surely this is My straight path, so follow it, and do not follow the (other) ways, for you will be separated from His way." We ask Allah to protect us and keep us safe from this.
Q4. When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages? What do you say about this?
A4. This statement does not even need to be discussed. Is this woman a Muslim? A Muslim would never make such a statement. It is impossible for a sane Muslim to make such a statement. She is not only allowing homosexuality, but encouraging and justifying it by suggesting that same-sex marriages should be recognized. On the other hand, she is rejecting the implementation of Islamic law. Is she a Muslim. No one from the fold of Islam would allow a man to marry a man and a woman to marry a woman. The only question is: Should a man who commits homosexuality be executed or not? Should it be carried out by stoning or not? Most of the companions were of the opinion that men who commit homosexuality should be executed. Shaykh-ul-Islam ibn Taymiyyah mentioned that the companions and the Tabi'een had a consensus on the issue of execution, but the difference of opinion was on how it should be carried out? Should they be stoned, or thrown off the highest structure in the land? The idea of legalizing homosexuality is filthy and evil, and could never be supported by a Muslim. We ask Allah to keep us safe.
Q5. This woman says that it is the right of women to sit with men in the main hall of the mosque, without any barrier, and it is the right of women to participate in all activities normally reserved for men, such as leading the prayers, etc... What is the correct position in this matter?
A5. Surely, this is from misguidance. Women have roles and jobs specific to them, and men have roles and jobs specific to them. Allah specified women to carry children and give birth. Also, Allah says: (translation) "Men are the care-takers of women." And when the Persians appointed the daughter of Kisra as the leader of their kingdom after his death, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said (translation): "A nation who appoints a woman as its leader will not be successful." Furthermore, even the testimony of a woman is not equal to that of a man. According to the Quran, the testimony of two women is equal to that of one man. As for crowds of men and women entering the mosque from the same door, and the issue of women and men sitting side by side without a barrier, this is something that is totally against the etiquettes of Islam. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said (translation): “The best rows for the women are the last ones, and the worst ones are the front ones." And he said with regards to the prayer, which is the most important act of worship (translation): "If the wife of one of you asks for permission to go to the mosque, let him not prevent her, but their houses are better for them." He also said : (translation): the first trial that affected the Children of Israel was due to women." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also informed us that he did not leave behind a more harmful trial for men than women. So we say: May Allah guide the men and women of the Muslims to hold fast to their religion and respect the rulings of Allah, and constrain their actions to comply with the Quran and the Sunnah and what the scholars have agreed upon. No nation has a methodology that addresses all situations of man and his personal life, as well as his business dealings, his relations with friends and enemies, his relations with his family and relatives, his relations with the rulers and subjects -- no nation has a methodology that deals with these relationships like the methodology of Islam. And whoever wants something other than Islam, wants to fall into clear misguidance. And help is sought with Allah.
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From: basyb Sent: 3/19/2005 8:25 AM
Shaykh Abdullaah Ali Ar-Rukbaan
Member of Council of Senior Scholars
Member of Lajnah Ad-Daaimah
Q1. There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1. Islam has brought honor to women, and has given them a position that suits them. It has made women similar to men in many matters, but it has differentiated between them in other matters, with respect to what each sex naturally excels in. Islam raised the status of women, and gave them importance. Allah says (translation): “And due to them is similar to what is expected of them.”
It is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayers, because leading the prayers is something that is exclusively reserved for men. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said in an authentic narration: “A woman is not to lead a man in prayers.” Because of this, what the woman mentioned in the question plans to do is shocking, and it is in opposition to what the majority of the scholars have agreed upon. Also, it is known that history has never recorded a case in which a women led men in Friday prayers, or any other prayer for that matter. If this ever happened, the narration would have surely been transmitted to us. It is not permissible to submit to the whims and desires while rejecting the Islamic rulings. It is also not permissible to follow an understanding that has no evidence to support it. By doing this, a person is actually disregarding the fundamental principles of the religion. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered the women to pray in the back rows, behind the rows of men, so that no mixing between the sexes would take place. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said “The best row for women is the last one, and the worst is the first one. And the best row for men is the first one, and the worst one is the last one.” If a woman leads men in prayer, then this prayer is not valid according to the majority of the scholars of all the different schools of thought. As for women praying in front of men, this act invalidates the men’s prayer, according to what many of the scholars have stated. With regards to this woman who plans to lead the prayers and place women in front of men, it is incumbent on her to fear Allah, and she must not submit to her own whims and desires while disregarding the rulings of Allah. She should not treat the rulings of Islam like a toy that can be played with. When one starts putting his or her whims and desires before the commandments of Islam, this leads to the loss of discipline, and the loss of obedience to the rules of Allah.
It is permissible for a woman to lead other women in prayer. If a woman leads other women in prayer, it is better for her to stay in the middle of the front row, without standing in front of the congregation. However, if she does stand in front of them, there is no problem with that.
It is obligatory on the brothers who have a connection with this woman to advise her to fear Allah and try to convince her to return to the truth and reject her false ideology. It has been narrated in the Sunnah that whoever initiates an evil practice will carry his own sin as well as the sin of all of those who follow his example until the Day of Judgement. I fear that this woman will carry the sin of what she has said, as well as the sins of everyone who accepts and follows her position in the future.
Q2. This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibilty of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2. Amputation of the hand of the thief is an Islamic ruling that is agreed upon by all the scholars. The Quran is very clear on this ruling. Allah says (translation) “And the male and female thief, cut off their hands in recompense for what they have done, as a deterrent from Allah. And Allah is All-Mighty, Most Wise ” And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The hand of the thief is to be amputated for (theft of) a quarter of a dinar or more.” The Ahadith that mention the amputation of the hand of the thief are correct and authentic. A woman who stole was once brought to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and he ordered for her hand to be amputated. Intercession to the Prophet was done on her behalf, as she was a woman of honor and high social status. The Prophet then delivered a sermon and said “What destroyed the people before you is that when a person of high status stole, they would leave him, but when a weak person stole, they would carry out the prescribed punishment. By Allah, if Fatimah the daughter of Muhammad were to steal, Muhammad would cut off her hand.” So the rejection of the Islamic ruling on the one who steals is a very dangerous matter, and it is feared that one who holds this opinion has exited the circle of Islam. It is obligatory on the Muslims to fully accept all the rulings that have been revealed in the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, and to submit to these rulings with obedience to Allah and compliance with His commands. It is important that the Muslims do not pay attention to what the enemies of Islam say, as they try to place doubt in the Muslims with regards to the Islamic rulings. If the punishment for stealing was carried out correctly, the crime of theft would be virtually eliminated, and because of this, only very few hands would be cut. Enemies of Islam try to place doubts in the hearts of the Muslims with regards to this ruling and others like it, and behind this effort is their own agenda. It is incumbent on the Muslims not to be affected by these efforts. Rather, Muslims should take pride in their religion and carry out all of its commandments, and by doing this they will gain honor and happiness in this world and the Hereafter. It is necessary for Muslims to fully accept all rulings that have been revealed in the Quran. Allah says (translation): “But no, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in submission.”
Q3. This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. This statement is extremely dangerous. It is necessary for the Muslim to accept each and every verse found in the Book of Allah., and to submit fully to every command and ruling. If a person reads and understands a ruling, this is well and good, but if he doesn’t understand a particular ruling, then it is obligatory on him to ask the people of knowledge to clarify it for him. It is not permissible for a person to reject following a verse in the Quran just because he doesn’t understand its meaning. If we were to accept this methodology, there would be nothing left in our religion, because many of the people do not understand many of the rulings of Islam. Only those who Allah has blessed with knowledge are able to fully comprehend the rulings found in the Quran. This level of comprehension requires a person to spend all his time studying the Book of Allah and its interpretation according to the scholars of Islam.
Q4. When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages. What do you say about this?
A4. It is necessary for the Muslim to adhere to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His
Messenger, and to understand the Quran and Sunnah correctly, without falling into extremism or over-leniency. And it is necessary to call others to this religion and spread it all over the world. It is necessary for the Muslim to observe the commandments of Islam personally, as well as call others towards the observance of these commandments in all of their affairs, public and private. The last people of this Ummah will not be made upright except by that which made the first people of this Ummah upright. The religion of Islam is the religion of love, mercy, and kindness, and it has given everyone their rights, Muslims as well as non-Muslims. Same-sex marriage is an issue of the utmost vulgarity. It is something that any sane mind would reject. In addition to this, there was never a religious legal code from the nations before us that allowed same-sex marriage. The laws of Islam are in front of all these laws, and they do not allow for sexual relations between men and men or between women and women. Actually this is considered from among the greatest of the major sins, and it is even worse if there is an attempt to rationalize it through a marriage contract. This woman must fear Allah and repent to Him, and seek forgiveness for what she has said and done. Also, it is necessary for the brothers who live in the land where this women resides to advise her with kindness and gentleness, with hope that Allah may guide her and those who have been affected by her ideas.
Shaykh Ali Abdur-Rehmaan Al-Huthayfi
Imaam and Khateeb of Prophet's Masjid, Madinah
Q1. There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1. The answer to this question is that the prayer of a woman as a leader of men and women is not valid. The prayer of the woman leading the prayers, as well as the prayer of all the men and women praying behind her, are all invalid and unacceptable. The Prophet said : “Pray as you have seen me praying.” It has never been narrated in Islamic history that a woman led prayers for men and women. What is required from women according to Islamic law is that they remain concealed, shy, and modest. This action – a woman leading men and women in prayers, is an act that is in opposition to the Quran and the Sunnah, because Allah made leadership for men. The Prophet said: “The leader was placed to be followed.” The purpose behind what this woman is attempting to do is to alter the understanding of Islam that all the scholars have agreed upon. However, it is impossible for anyone to block the light of the sun, and it is impossible for anyone to harm Islam with anything. The plan of this woman is a weak plan. It is necessary for this woman to be warned and prevented from this action, so it cannot spread, and so others will not be convinced to follow her misguidance, because surely this is a matter that is clearly false and deviant.
Q2. This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibility of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2. Whoever denies the ruling on amuptation of the hand oh the thief -- which is clearly proven by the Quran and the Sunnah – whoever denies this is a disbeliever. If the person who denies this ruling is said to be among the Muslims, then this denial takes him out of Islam, and if the person is not a Muslim, then he is an clear enemy of Islam. This woman who has made this statement has no portion of Islam at all. The statement of disbelievers can never be accepted, because they are ignorant, evil-doing enemies of Islam. The statement of this woman is the most evil of things that has been heard, and the most filthy of things that has been written on this issue. This is from the evil plots that the enemies of Islam have planned against the Muslim, but Islam is like a mountain – even the strongest winds cannot harm or shake it.
Q3. This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. The answer to this question is that there is no verse in the Quran that contains a command or a prohibition or any legislation thats meaning is hidden. Actually the Quran is very clear in its wording and rulings, and the interpretation of these rulings can be known through the people of knowledge, and the books of knowledge. The statement of this woman is a filthy statement, and it is a statement of disbelief. Disbelief has many stages and levels, with some levels being greater than others, and the statement of this woman is one of the greatest and most repulsive forms of disbelief. She has come with a statement that is from the darkest depths of disbelief. Actually this statement is darkness upon darkness.
Q4. When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages? What do you say about this?
A4. This statement, regarding men marrying men and women marrying women, can be refuted by looking at the world of animals. Even animals do not degrade themselves to this filthy, vulgar, repulsive level. This woman, by making such a statement, has made herself filthier and more repulsive than any animal or beast on the face of this earth.
Q5. This woman says that it is the right of women to sit with men in the main hall of the mosque, without any barrier, and it is the right of women to participate in all activities normally reserved for men, such as leading the prayers, etc... What is the correct position in this matter?
A5. This filthy repulsive woman is legislating laws for herself according to her own whims and desires. Whoever is able to prevent her from spreading these evil animalistic ideas, his reward will be with Allah. This woman is pleased to put herself in a position lower and more degrading than that of the animals. She legislates laws for herself according to what her own whims and desires dictate to her, and she speaks for no one but herself, because Allah honored the daughters of the children of Adam, and he said : (translation) “And surely We have honored the children of Adam.” As for the person whom Allah has not honored to obey Him, there is no one on ths earth who can honor such a person, and this person will be in constant disgrace and humility until he is placed in the fire to abide therein forever.
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Recommend Message 11 of 22 in Discussion
From: Dexterzthouqtz Sent: 3/21/2005 3:29 PM
salam 3likoum ya jma3at elkhir
wallah i feel ashamed to say i live in new york or the US , and i feel more ashamed kifach ghadi nkablou rabi yawm elkiyama , wa7naya anchoufu had elmounkar ya7sal fi 7ak elislam wa dinouna el7anif elnathif min taraf ha 2oula2 elmoutatarifine elkafara elmounafikine la3natou llah 3laihoum and kima kal hadak l'algerien near the church yalli kanat atssali fiha hadik elmal3ouna elmounafika 3adouwat llah yalli she look like candaliza reisse hiya and hadik elmal3ouna yali kanat tou2athin wa hiya makchoufat elfigoura kalhoum fi interview ma3a eljazira janb church hadik lazam atmout wa nsay7ou damha ou rabi ghadi ya7ragha inshallah 3andou el7k il a bien and 3andou le courage bach kal hakda on National TV i beleive koulkoum chaftouh hadak elakh , yawm eljouma3a elmathi , 3ala koulin
i just feel ashamed cuz i can't do anything about it and maranich 3arfa kifach ghadi ankabal rabi min yas2alni watch darti fi difa3i 3ala diniki 3indaha ?!!!!!!!!!
allahouma ghfir lana wa sami7na cuz na7nou thou3afa2 eliman , allahouma kawi imanana so we can do some thing one against had elkafara ,
SALAM KHAWA
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Recommend Message 12 of 22 in Discussion
From: aniss Sent: 3/21/2005 5:04 PM
salam...
oui , hadal le jeune, rabi yassatrou,et encore hada ts les samedi et dimanche at time square edir edawaa, et with flyers at 42 st .... et inakache hadouk el yahouda .
rabi atahh fassaht elissane et naamou be imane kawi, et machaa allah.
il etais le seul et restera fes le anales de la comunity algerienne a ny . no seleument kil a pris face avec cette ignorante, mais pour d autre taches kil fait de ttes ces journees juste pour ke l islam soit bien compris a travers cette city dominee par les juifs , et entre autres il ne ce lasse jamais .
nadou errahmane yastrou et yahafdou....
salam .
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From: katkoutah220v Sent: 3/22/2005 10:03 AM
salam
sa7a anis wach rak inshallah bekhayr
alors you saw him right? on tv!!
he was so cool that guy really rabi inshalah ya7afdou and ywafkou lima yatloub fi sabil llah.
elmouhim elmoucharaka ,
salam
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From: aniss Sent: 3/22/2005 1:50 PM
salam...
ketkou welahh rani hamdoulilah et j espere ke toi aussi raki bien et in chalah
tt va bien ..
yes ketkou chaftou en direct ,sans intereference , ni censsure , ni houm yahzanoun.
et puis makhla maykoul , darlhoum hala , et sans gene , meme les autorites,alors manahderche ala hadouk soit disont la securite taa ezamarr enfin zamma securite ,
enfin hada ya ketkou au faite djarakk ,hee oui c ton voisin .\
aya je vs souhaite a ts une tres bonne journee et alp in challah ..
salam
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From: Yacine Sent: 3/24/2005 8:14 AM
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From: AbdellahAzzam Sent: 3/25/2005 1:50 PM
آخر أضحوكات الزمان
خرجت علينا بنت الحسب والنسب الأمريكية تعلمنا كيف تكون صلاة المساواة !!!
خرجت علينا بعد ألف وأربعمئة سنة من قول الله تعالى " اليوم أكملت لكم دينكم "
وقفت تصف الصفوف
وكأنى أراها تحمل لواءهم يوم القيامة أمام مليك مقتدر .. فماذا تقول يومها ؟
وقد أحدثت بدعة وفتنة لن يسلم من شرها ضعاف الإيمان وحديثي الإسلام من اهل الغرب والشرق ممن لا يجيدون العربيه
أما أهل الإسلام في الثغور فلا نخشي عليهم امثال هذه البومة ، لأن هذه الأفكار لا تستوى على أرض يقف على ترابها مجاهدون بواسل من مدرسة الفلوجة العسكرية الحديثة ، أو ممن حضر الملاحم في قندهار وتورا بورا.
إنما الخوف كل الخوف
من هذه البومة التي نعقت وصرخت ، وجمعت لصريخها متحذلقات الدفاع عن حقوق المرأة العربية
وآخرهم الكاتبه هويدا طه التي كتبت في القدس العربي يوم الخميس 23 مارس 2005 تقول مستنكرة :
فمن قائلٍ (لا يفلح قوم ولوّا امرهم امرأة) الي قائلٍ بان (النساء ناقصات عقلٍ ودين)
ويبدو أن جلالتها - أي هويدا - ورغم أن أبوها اسمه طه وهو أحد أسماء نبي الإسلام ، يبدو أن نيافتها وعظمتها تتمتع بجهل مركب ، لأن ما تهكمت عليه واستنكرته إنما هو قول نبي الإسلام محمد بن عبد الله صلى الله عليه وسلم.
إن هذا الكلام - الذي لا يعحب قداستها - منسوب لمن كتب اسمه على باب الجنة في جملة التوحيد " لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله "
ويبدوا أننا سنشهد قريبا المزيد من نعيق البوم الذي يركب الموجة الأمريكية الرابحة ، لينهش في بنيان هذا الدين الذي خذله معظم أبنائه عندما تولوا سبيل الشيطان ورضوا بالحياة الدنيا
خرجت علينا بومة أمريكا بسنة غير سنة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم
وتداعى لها البوم من كافة أرجاء المعمورة ليصدق قول الحق تعالى : " ظهر الفساد في البر والبحر "
وهنا يطرأ سؤال بحاجة إلى إجابة شافية من مشايخنا
مشايخ الأمة لا مشايخ أمريكا وفرنسا وأسبانيا
ما هو حكم من فعلت هذه البدعة ؟؟ وما هو حكم من صلى وراءها ؟؟ هل خرجوا عن الملة ؟؟ وهل تتبع هذه المرأة في حكمها حكم مسليمة الكذاب ومدعى النبوة في عصر الراشدين ؟؟
هذا سؤال مهم
لأن هذه الحادثة الشاذه في عامنا هذا .. قد تنتقل بعد بضعة أعوام إلى أرض الإسلام .. فوجب علي شيوخ الإسلام أن يوضحوا لنا كيف نتعامل مع هذه العاهات التي أتحفتنا بها بطون الأمهات في عصرنا هذا !! عصر حرية المرأة !!!!!!!!!!! ولا أدري لماذا أنجبت لدينا المرأة في عصور التخلف والقهر صلاح الدين والعز بن عبد السلام وغيرهم من الأفذاذ .. بينما لم تنجب لنا المرأة المحررة إلا أشباه الرجال من محمد عطيه والشاب ما مي وغيرهم من المخنثين الذين هم عار على شباب الأمة.
أيها المسلمون والمسلمات
الله الله في دينكم .. هذه حادثة جلل .. فلنتصدى لها بقوة قبل أن يتسرب هذا السرطان إلى باقى أمور العبادات في ديننا ، هذه أول نتائج الفرقان الحق ، وغدا تشاهدون الصوم على طريقة والت ديزني ، والحج بطريقة ماكدونالدز ، والتوحيد على مذهب الإمام بوش الإبن !!! والعرض القادم هدم الكعبة
عليكم بتعليم أبنائكم الإسلام كما نزل على نبي الإسلام صلى الله عليه وسلم
ولا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله
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From: AbdellahAzzam Sent: 3/25/2005 1:50 PM
آخر أضحوكات الزمان
خرجت علينا بنت الحسب والنسب الأمريكية تعلمنا كيف تكون صلاة المساواة !!!
خرجت علينا بعد ألف وأربعمئة سنة من قول الله تعالى " اليوم أكملت لكم دينكم "
وقفت تصف الصفوف
وكأنى أراها تحمل لواءهم يوم القيامة أمام مليك مقتدر .. فماذا تقول يومها ؟
وقد أحدثت بدعة وفتنة لن يسلم من شرها ضعاف الإيمان وحديثي الإسلام من اهل الغرب والشرق ممن لا يجيدون العربيه
أما أهل الإسلام في الثغور فلا نخشي عليهم امثال هذه البومة ، لأن هذه الأفكار لا تستوى على أرض يقف على ترابها مجاهدون بواسل من مدرسة الفلوجة العسكرية الحديثة ، أو ممن حضر الملاحم في قندهار وتورا بورا.
إنما الخوف كل الخوف
من هذه البومة التي نعقت وصرخت ، وجمعت لصريخها متحذلقات الدفاع عن حقوق المرأة العربية
وآخرهم الكاتبه هويدا طه التي كتبت في القدس العربي يوم الخميس 23 مارس 2005 تقول مستنكرة :
فمن قائلٍ (لا يفلح قوم ولوّا امرهم امرأة) الي قائلٍ بان (النساء ناقصات عقلٍ ودين)
ويبدو أن جلالتها - أي هويدا - ورغم أن أبوها اسمه طه وهو أحد أسماء نبي الإسلام ، يبدو أن نيافتها وعظمتها تتمتع بجهل مركب ، لأن ما تهكمت عليه واستنكرته إنما هو قول نبي الإسلام محمد بن عبد الله صلى الله عليه وسلم.
إن هذا الكلام - الذي لا يعحب قداستها - منسوب لمن كتب اسمه على باب الجنة في جملة التوحيد " لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله "
ويبدوا أننا سنشهد قريبا المزيد من نعيق البوم الذي يركب الموجة الأمريكية الرابحة ، لينهش في بنيان هذا الدين الذي خذله معظم أبنائه عندما تولوا سبيل الشيطان ورضوا بالحياة الدنيا
خرجت علينا بومة أمريكا بسنة غير سنة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم
وتداعى لها البوم من كافة أرجاء المعمورة ليصدق قول الحق تعالى : " ظهر الفساد في البر والبحر "
وهنا يطرأ سؤال بحاجة إلى إجابة شافية من مشايخنا
مشايخ الأمة لا مشايخ أمريكا وفرنسا وأسبانيا
ما هو حكم من فعلت هذه البدعة ؟؟ وما هو حكم من صلى وراءها ؟؟ هل خرجوا عن الملة ؟؟ وهل تتبع هذه المرأة في حكمها حكم مسليمة الكذاب ومدعى النبوة في عصر الراشدين ؟؟
هذا سؤال مهم
لأن هذه الحادثة الشاذه في عامنا هذا .. قد تنتقل بعد بضعة أعوام إلى أرض الإسلام .. فوجب علي شيوخ الإسلام أن يوضحوا لنا كيف نتعامل مع هذه العاهات التي أتحفتنا بها بطون الأمهات في عصرنا هذا !! عصر حرية المرأة !!!!!!!!!!! ولا أدري لماذا أنجبت لدينا المرأة في عصور التخلف والقهر صلاح الدين والعز بن عبد السلام وغيرهم من الأفذاذ .. بينما لم تنجب لنا المرأة المحررة إلا أشباه الرجال من محمد عطيه والشاب ما مي وغيرهم من المخنثين الذين هم عار على شباب الأمة.
أيها المسلمون والمسلمات
الله الله في دينكم .. هذه حادثة جلل .. فلنتصدى لها بقوة قبل أن يتسرب هذا السرطان إلى باقى أمور العبادات في ديننا ، هذه أول نتائج الفرقان الحق ، وغدا تشاهدون الصوم على طريقة والت ديزني ، والحج بطريقة ماكدونالدز ، والتوحيد على مذهب الإمام بوش الإبن !!! والعرض القادم هدم الكعبة
عليكم بتعليم أبنائكم الإسلام كما نزل على نبي الإسلام صلى الله عليه وسلم
ولا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله
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From: CriminalLalmaselfartas Sent: 3/26/2005 7:51 AM
Salam alikom wadjazaka lah a3la ma koulta walah yazidouka i3lman inshaalah,
What I noticed is that this gulf is not only trying to ruin the Islamic foundations and undermine it's progress," it is a well known fact that since september 11, this event has exploded the men-made media curtain that blinded peoples eyes and saw clear what are they meant to do, many of them embrassed Islam macha alah".As I said above not only Islam, I watch TV every now and then and the same thing happens to the church, the devil is embodying all the powers, we must just hold to the fact that even if you the only muslim left on earth noone absolutely no evil can harm you when you have a strong faith in alah.
I pray for all the muslims to be aware of these khabaiths, and try to find a place whereever they are a good muslim surrounding where one can protect him/herself from the western meaningless objectives.
Salam alikom
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From: Yacine Sent: 4/3/2005 10:00 AM
حكم إمامة المرأة للرجال في الصلاة
بحث شرعي مبسط
بقلم د. هاني السباعي
مدير مركز المقريزي للدراسات التاريخية
الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وبعد:
هذا بحث شرعي مبسط أقدمه لإخواننا طلبة العلم المبتدئين، ولكل من يهمه أمر المسلمين. نسأل الله أن يستخدمنا لنصرة دينه. وقد سرت في هذا البحث المتواضع على النحو التالي:
أولاً: تقدمة.
ثانياً: هل صلاة الجمعة واجبة في الأصل على المرأة؟
ثالثاً: أدلة القائلين بإمامة المرأة للرجال في الصلاة.
رابعاً: أدلة القائلين بعدم جواز إمامة المرأة للرجال في الصلاة.
خامساً: نتف من أقوال علماء المذاهب الإسلامية.
صفوة القول.
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From: Muchkill_algeria Sent: 4/3/2005 11:39 AM
Salammmmmmmm alikoum adjma3een,
Ana 3la bali, hta fel mout el mra tkoun fel akhir souffouf, ki nsali salat el djanaza fel makbara, ihoutou tabout erradjal touima ba3da7 tabout elwalad wa touma tabout el mar2a. Ce qui veux dire, et comme vous pouvez le constater par vous meme, el mar2a est toujours apres l'homme , que se soit dans la priere ou autre! Que penses tu Ghhhhhingo?
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From: katkoutah220v Sent: 4/4/2005 11:31 AM
salam
behhh pfffffffffff moi j'pense ke la magh2a est tjrs apres le ghajoul voila , but let's not foghget aussi ke l'homme without la magh2a maysawi walou and el3akssou sa7i7 behhh voila .
alors what tu en pense gghhhingo!!!!
et toi kghimo any afkagh about this mawdou3 that will never end i guess?!!!
alors ke houari i know what he thinks about this,
according to him : wara2a kouli rajouline 3athimin imra2atoun mahirata el tabkhi , hahahahahah !! am i right or what waghi ???...
well alors ke mr. basyb if la femme et n'est pas la alors houwa mayadkhoulch kamal ila elmatbakh cuz he will think about elbouka2ou 3ala elatlal , he can't even make an egg salad without her , loooooooool.
byeeeeeeeeeeee
P.S. miss you all hoppe all doin' well
salam
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From: عربي_________للأبد Sent: 4/23/2005 1:52 PM
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتة
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD UNITE - THE ZIONIST MARXISTS HAVE TARGETED ISLAM FIRST!
ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION:
Q:WOULD THE CATHOLICS PERMIT THE POPE TO BE A WOMAN?
Q:WOULD THE BRAHMINS PERMIT A WOMAN PANDIT?
Q:WOULD JEWS ALLOW A WOMAN RABBI?
Q:WOULD BUDDHISTS ALLOW A WOMAN DALAI LAMA?
THE UNANIMOUS ANSWER WILL BE : "NEVER"!
THE MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS --- WHY?
ONLY A COMBINED, WELL-REASONED AND GENDER-NEUTRAL RESPONSE TO THE CHALLENGE WILL EXPOSE THE FULL CONTOURS OF 'DIVIDE AND RULE' ZIONIST CONSPIRACY TO WRECK WORLD PEACE AND EXPLOIT THE CHAOS.
THIS IS A COVERT WAR BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS HERALDED ON THE SHOULDERS OF OUR OWN WOMENFOLK.
WE ALL MUST JOINTLY ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE AND THWART THEIR EVIL DESIGNS.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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Astagfirullah, what is happening, this is just nonsense .
In my opinion this is an innovation (beda'a) and a very dangerous one indeed, as we have never ever heard about women leading mixed prayers, if a woman wants to lead a Jummah prayer then I think there can be special masjids for women only where the imam can be a woman. but for women to lead men in prayers, I think that never happened.
Event Description:
On Friday, March 18, 2005, Dr. Amina Wadud, professor of Islamic studies at Virginia Commonwealth University, will be the first woman to lead a public, mixed-gender Friday prayer.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/events/archives/2005/03/friday_prayer_l.php
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From: CriminalLalmaselfartas Sent: 3/12/2005 12:36 PM
Salam alikom,
Basyb if it has not happened at the time of the prophet, "as the prophet could never forget to mention it for the next generation" then this is beda3 otherwise then it is allowed.
As it is known in Islam, god created Adam and then created eve from his rib to share life with him because he was getting annoyed alone. god sent our ancestors on earth to worship him, women who are muslims knows that very well, those who does not believe or sold their soul to the evil would deny it. the task of men and women on earth are divin, alterations would lead to the hell.
salam alikom
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From: عربي_________للأبد Sent: 3/13/2005 9:11 AM
رفض الشرع لإمامة المرأة في الصلاة."لا تؤم المرأة الرجال ولا
الصبيان، إنما تكون إمامة للنساء فقط، وتقف وسطهن".
النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال{أخروهن من حيث أخرهن الله}.هذا هو
الإرهاب والعنف ضد الشريعة الإسلامية.لا صلاة لرجل وراء امرأة.
حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل
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From: basyb Sent: 3/13/2005 2:25 PM
As-Salamu `alaykoum:
Dear friend Lalmas I maintain Prohibiting women from leading the prayers is an innovation derived from the effect of male dominated cultures on Islam. Needless to say, the Quran does not advocate such sexist preferential treatment.
"why do women have to pray behind men in Islam?"
Because the Prophet said so, upon him blessings and peace:
1. "Lo! Let absolutely no woman lead a man in prayer!"
Arabic:
"Ala la ta'ummanna imra'atun rajulan."
Ibn Majah, Abu Ya`la, `Abd ibn Humayd in his Musnad, Abu Nu`aym in the Hilya with different chains from Jabir, and al-Tabarani in al-Awsat from Abu Sa`id al-Khudri.
2. "No nation shall succeed that is led by a woman." Al-Bukhari and Muslim from Abu Bakrah, Allah be well-pleased with him.
This is even more binding in Salat, since the imamate of Salat requires a far more slavish imitation and following than the greater imamate. Further, the imamate of prayer is a delegatory function of the latter.
3. "The best of the men's prayer-rows is the first and the worst the last, while the best of the women's prayer-rows is the last and the worst is the first." Muslim, the Sunan, and Ahmad from Abu Hurayra, Jabir, and Abu Sa`id al-Khudri, Allah be well-pleased with them.
I.e. the contrary of imamate, which means "leading from the front."
4. `Ali said, Allah be well-pleased with him:
"A woman does not lead as imam." Mudawwana, I`la' al-Sunan.
Imam al-Bayhaqi mentioned all the above but the last in his Sunan and said: "This is also the School of the Seven Jurists of Madina among the Tabi`in then those that followed them."
This is also the position of the Four Schools. More, Ibn Hazm in Maratib al-Ijma` and Ibn Qattan al-Fasi in al-Iqna` fi Masa'il al-Ijma` listed it among the rulings that muster unanimous consensus :
"They concur one and all that a woman cannot lead men in prayer with their knowledge of her being a woman and, if they do, their prayer is invalid by consensus."
Second, it would not be right for one upon whom congregation is not incumbent to lead one upon whom it is obligatory.
Third, the best salat of a woman is in her house without contest, and it is not right that the leader of the Salat be precluded from excellence to begin with.
"why can't women be Imams or Khateebs?"
Both the imamate and khutba belong to those that can lead men in prayer and are subject to the same restrictions.
As for the claim that some of the defunct schools allowed it:
Al-Tabari, al-Muzani, Abu Thawr, and some of the Hanbalis allowed it ONLY in Tarawih AND only if none of the men present knows any Qur'an AND if the woman leads from behind the men's rows - i.e. the contrary of imamate, which means "leading from the front"! See: Ibn Qudama, Mughni; Ibn al-Jawzi, Ahkam al-Nisa'; al-San`ani, Subul al-Salam; al-Shawkani, Nayl al-Awtar; al-Tahanawi, I`la' al-Sunan; `Itr, I`lam al-Anam.
The preceding shows that the clause forwarded by Ibn Hazm and endorsed by Ibn Qattan - as cited above - is inexact; more precise is the qualified wording of the vizier Ibn Hubayra (d. 560) in his manual Ikhtilaf al-A'immat al-Arba`a:
"They concurred unanimously that the leadership of women over men in Salat is impermissible *in the obligatory prayers*."
This is confirmed by the wording of I`la' al-Sunan (4:252), which proceeds to reject the qualification and - rightly - extends the impermissibility to non-obligatory prayers as well. I.e. it is is impermissible across the board.
As for the (weak) hadith of Umm Waraqa in Abu Dawud and Ahmad, then al-Daraqutni's wording has it that the Prophet upon him peace allowed her to lead *the women* of her household in prayer. Ibn Qudama, Mughni. Regardless of this specification, the understanding of the Jumhur is that the hadith excludes men. Note that it reaches us through two unknowns, one of them a woman, from Umm Waraqa.
Even if the hadith includes the men, it remains that this dispensation was (a) for non-obligatory prayers only - since men are required to pray obligatory prayers in the congregational mosque - and (b) for the privacy of a single *household,* as further corroborated by the fact that the news of this hadith does not come to us except through unknowns.
Whoever claimed that "ahla dariha" in the hadith means "the people of her neighborhood or village" are ignorant of the Arabic language.(*)
(*) Or the same liars that claimed "a woman named Ghazala led her male warriors in prayer in Kufa after having controlled the city for a day" when the historians only related that when her Khariji husband entered Kufa she went to the mosque and prayed two rak`ats which she had vowed to pray there - alone - in which she recited al- Baqara and Al `Imran. What should have been far more significant to feminist would-be readers of Islamic history is that the Khawarij gave this Ghazala a share in the spoils of war, IN VIOLATION OF THE PROPHETIC SUNNA with regard to women that took part in the (righteous!) military campaigns of the Companions.
To go back to the hadith of Umm Waraqa:
Since this hadith is the only proof of those that allowed a woman's imamate in non-obligatory prayers, it follows that even so, there is no reliable proof for such a position.
Furthermore, the most knowledgeable woman in creation - `A'isha, Allah be well-pleased with her - preferred to pray Tarawih (a) in her house (b) behind a male (c) non-memorizer (d) slave. More, he read from an open mus-haf as he led her and her household in Salat. Muwatta'.
# If there had been a permission for women to lead men in Tarawih, `A'isha would have been the first to practice it and, short of practicing it, she would have been bound to communicate it to the Umma. #
Hence, precaution in the fist Pillar of worship dictates that we not leave the established authentic and explicit textual proofs nor the consensus of the mass-transmitted Schools for desperate interpretations of a weak report and the errings of defunct schools and weak positions being cut and pasted by feminists and modernists. And Allah knows best.
For your information CriminalalmasFertas, there is a new fetwa in islamonline
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SunniPath Audio: Women Leading Prayers and the Way of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) <-----< << اضغط هنا >>
om: عربي_________للأبد Sent: 3/17/2005 11:08 AM
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الحمدلله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين جزاك الله كل خير جزاك الله كل خير وجعلها فى ميزان حسناتك لهدا المجهود خويا بسيب
I read the article on the website link that says that on the 18th of April Dr. Amina Wadud will lead the Friday prayer in one of the mosques in New York!! The news wasn't only terrifying but also horrible...!
قرأت يوم الاثنين الماضي على احد المواقع الالكترونية مقال نصه : " في يوم 18/4 ستؤم الدكتورة أمينه ودود صلاه الجمعة في احد مساجد نيويورك . لم يكن الخبر فقد مريعا بل كان مقززا!
How could a Muslim come with this kind of idea ?! the supporters of this idea don't deny that this step is unprecedented in Islam history . According to what Allah (SWT) said
كيف يأتي من ينتمي للإسلام بمثل هذه الأفكار وقد أمرنا الله: ما أتاكم به الرسول فاتوا منه استطعتم وما نهاكم عنه فانتهوا.
(And what the Prophet giveth you take it and what he doesn't don't) Ch: Al-Hashr, Verse:7
The Prophet never allowed a woman to lead a prayer of mixed genders, but only a prayer where all performers are women. This article is to warn the Muslims from praying behind that Dr. Amina Wadud
كما انه لم يسمح الرسول لمرآة قط بإمامة الصلاة المختلطة في عهده، الا ان كان كل مؤدوها من النساء .. انما هذا المقال ليحذركم من الصلاة خلف تلك المدعوة امينة ودود
Below are the quotations and Sayings of renowned Muslim Scholars:
هذه أقوال واقتباسات من آراء العلماء المسلمين والائمة المعتمدين :
There are nine conditions for leading a Friday Prayer in a mosque or in a company (salat aljama'a), plus two other conditions that the four Imams (Abu Hanifah- Al-Shafaai - ibn Hanbal - Al-Maleki) got views on. However, all views are miles away from our issue above.
هناك 9 شروط يجب أن تتوافر لإمامة صلاة الجمعة في المساجد أو أماكن العمل ( صلاة الجماعة ) ، وهناك شرطين آخرين تنوعت فيهما آراء الأئمة الأربعة ( ابو حنيفة ، الشافعى ، ابن حنبل ، والملكى )، ورغم تنوعها إلا أنها بعيده كل البعد عن طرح مثل هذه الفكرة ( إمامة المرأة )
The nine conditions according to Sunnah and Scholars are mentioned below:
ومما يلي بيان بالشروط التسع لأمامة الصلاة وفقا لمنهج أهل السنة والجماعة
1- Islam: the Imam must be a Muslim, no prayer is accepted if the Imam is a Jew or Christian or Infidel...etc.
أن يكون مسلما : يجل أن يكون الأمام مسلما ، ولا تقبل الصلاة من يهودي أو نصراني أو كافر... الخ
2- Mentality: the Imam can't be crazy or demented.سلامة العقل: يجب أن يكون عاقلا وليس بمجنون أو مخبولا
3- Maturity: the Imam must be mature.
بالغا: يجب أن يكون الأمام بالغا
4- Manhood: the Imam can't be a female
الذكورة : يجب أن يكون الأمام رجلا
5- Purity: the Imam must be pure from dirt at the time of prayer.
الطهارة : يجب أن يكون طاهرا ونظيفا من اى دنس عند الصلاة
6- Mastery of recite.
ما هرا بالقرآن : يجب أن يكون الأمام ماهرا بالقرآن
7- The Imam must be at lead (No one in front of him).
أن يكون في أول الصف ولا يتقدمه احد
8- Safety against excuses.
عدم العذر الموجب للتخلف عنها
9- Authentic Speech Imam
أن يكون محدثا صادقا
So how could any Muslim argue with the scholars regarding these
فكيف بالله عليكم أن يجادل اى مسلم في هذه الأصول والقواعد
conditions?! aren't the five condition clear enough to prevent any female engagement in Prayer leading ?!
أليست هذه التعليمات واضحة بالدرجة التي يتوجب معها وقف انخراط النساء في الإمامة !
This is not a discrimination against our sisters! Prophet (PBUH) said women are sisters of men. We just can not overload women in the name of "Women Rights" and the propaganda that is coming from the west.
هذه ليس محاولة تفرقة بين النساء والرجال ، فقد قال الرسول صلى الله عليه سلم النساء شقائق الرجال ، ولكننا لا نريد تحميل المرأة أكثر مما اوجبه الله عليها بحجة حقوق المرأة والدعاية المغرضة التي تهب علينا من الغرب
I hope this post reaches every Muslim in America and that they demonstrate adequate responsibility to prevent this event and to ensure the non recurrence of this bida'a .
آمل ان يصل هذا النداء إلى جميع المسلمين في أمريكا وان يظهروا القدر الكافي من المسئولية لوقف مثل هذا الفعل والتأكد من عدم محاولة تكراره .
We urge Muslims who read this article to inform everyone they know to prevent praying behind that woman. This is an awful Bida'a that has no reward but hellfire; every Bid'a is a perversion and every perversion is in hellfire
نهيب بالمسلمين الذين يقرأون هذا النداء ونناشدهم بان يمتنعوا عن الصلاة خلف هذه المدعوة أمينة ودود
أنها بدعة شنيعة، وكل بدعة ضلاله وكل ضلاله في النار !
صدق رسول الله
بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَآلُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ
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From: CriminalLalmaselfartas Sent: 3/18/2005 11:52 AM
Djazaka lahou khayran,
There is a gulf trying to eradicate the Islam entirely, first invading IRAK, and to justify or strengthen their deed, they have to eradicate the Islam.
To their View if the Islam does not disappear then it will prevail, since their action with bombarding Irak, they want to label Irak to |terrorists and terrorism to Islam and make sense to their planing, they make fun of us through the media: films,thearters, even famous actors like Robert de niro making jokes with muslim names, the enemy of god are recruiting Mulims who wants to convert to satanic religion every muslim who wants to make big bucks nowadays tell him that America needs him, like if their money is gonna buy him the paradise.
Now these devils are trying to introduce something that has never happened before woman leading in prayer, in the future you can expect many things coming from them they will never stop, they will get even worse, what they don't know is that they are the losers. many famous persons lived and died like nero, julius cesar, where did they go??? may be they think their position on earth would mean anything to the after death the higher in rank you get the safest you will be with god.
Salam alikom
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From: basyb Sent: 3/19/2005 8:25 AM
Salam alikoum, wach rak Lalmas, j'espere que tu as resolu ton probleme ( la methode proposee par Houari est infaillible "root analysis").I used to deal with the root cause analysis methodology which is guided by rules of causal logic, and provides a logic check at each step in the analysis to make sure that all root causes have been accounted for.
Lalmas, avant de cloturer ce sujet "Innovation-beda'a", je tiens a partager avec nos aimables membres de la communaute les dires et les avis de certains ulemas tres connus dans le monde musulman.
*** Can a Muslim Woman Lead a Public Mixed-Gender Friday Prayer ? ***
*** Answered by World's most prominent Scholars of Islaam ***
*** Refutation of Dr. Amina Wadud and her 'Aqeedah ***
Question to
Al-'Allamah Abdul-Azeez Ibn Abdullaah Aal Shaykh
Grand Mufti of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Chairman of Council of Senior Scholars.
Chairman of Permanent committee of Islamic Research and Fatawaa
It was reported in Sharq-al-Ausat newspaper that next Friday there will be a Friday prayer with a mixed congregation of men and women, led by a woman. What are your comments on this?
Answer:
By Allah, if the people have reached this level – if the people have lowered themselves to this level, this is evil upon evil. A woman is not permitted to lead a man in prayers. If a woman has reached a level where she desires to lead men and women in prayers, it should be known that her purpose and the purpose of her followers in doing this is not to bring good, rather it is to wage war against Allah and His Messenger. They have not established this Friday prayer except as a stubborn rejection of the truth, and an invitation to evil, and a deterrent from the teachings of Islam. It has not been recorded in Islamic history that a woman led men in prayers, and it was never done. So how can these people come and establish a Friday prayer with men and women mixed together, and a woman leading the prayer? This is in reality a most repulsive matter, and it is evil upon evil. The people who wish to establish this only want, as Allah mentioned: (translation) “And as for those who put up a mosque by way of harming and disbelief, and to disunite the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allâh and His Messenger aforetime.” (At-Tawbah 9:107)
This Friday prayer is invalid, and it is not permissible for a Muslim to attend it.
Question to
Shaykh Saalih Fawzaan Al-Fawzan
Member of Council of Senior Scholars
Member of Lajnah Ad-Daaimah
It was reported in Al-Riyadh newspaper that a woman who claims to be a caller to Islam will lead men and women in prayer this Friday, as well as deliver the sermon, as part of the women’s liberation movement. This issue has received wide acceptance and support from ignorant people, specifically from outside these Muslim lands. What is the Islamic position on this, and has any one of the scholars of Fiqh allowed for a woman to lead a mixed congregation of men and women?
Answer:
I do not know of anyone who allowed women to lead men in prayer. It is permissible for women to lead other women only. It was narrated in the Sunnah that Umm Waraqah led the women of her household by the command of the Prophet. As for women leading men, this has never been reported. A woman praying in congregation is required to stand behind the men’s rows, and it is not even permissible for her to stand at the same level of the men’s rows. So if it is not permissible for women even to stand in the men’s rows, then how can it be permissible for a woman to stand in front of the men’s rows during prayers?
Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin Al-Abbad reply to this
Q1.
There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1.
The answer to this question is that it is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayers. It is not obligatory for women to pray in the mosques, as it is for men, but if women attend the mosques, they must stay far from the men, as is understood from the Hadith of Abu Hurairah, narrated in Muslim, where the Prophet said : “The best row for men is the first one, and the worst one is the last one, and the best row for women is the last one, and the worst one is the first one.” So when a woman comes to the mosque, she must keep far from the men in obedience to the command of the Prophet. This is not from customs or cultural practices as mentioned in the question, rather it is the Sunnah of the Prophet, and that we mentioned is authentic, narrated by Muslim. So the prayer of a woman as a leader for men is not permissible, and if they performed their prayer behind a woman, then this prayer is not valid. It is not permissible for the people to appoint a woman as a leader for prayers, but rather it is obligatory that they prevent her from doing so. The Muslim is required to fully submit to all the orders of Allah and His Prophet. Allah says: (translation) “It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter that they should have any choice in their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has surely strayed into clear error.” And Allah says: (translation) “Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you from, refrain (from it). And fear Allah. Surely Allah is severe in punishment.” And He says: (translation): “So let those beware who dissent from his (the Prophet’s) order, lest a trial strike them, or a painful punishment.” These are clear texts from the Quran that prove that it is obligatory for a Muslim to hold fast to the commands of Allah, and it is not permissible to go against the rulings of Allah and do something that is forbidden. And it has never been recorded in history that a woman ever led men in prayers. So in conclusion, this is a matter that is evil, and an act that is forbidden. It is not permissible for the people to appoint her to lead the prayers, and it is necessary that a man leads them instead. Also, the women should be completely separated from the men, according to the authentic Hadith that we mentioned before. And Allah knows best.
Q2.
This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibility of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2.
Whoever rejects any ruling of Allah, like the ruling mandating amputation of the hand of a thief - whoever rejects these rulings and says that they are brutal has committed apostasy from Islam and has denied what has been revealed in the Quran. The ruling for such a person is that he or she is an apostate, and it is obligatory to kill such a person. The Prophet said : “Whoever (among the Muslims) changes his religion, kill him.”
Q3.
This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. This statement is apostasy from Islam. It is not permissible to say “No” to the Quran. Rather, it is obligatory to say “We hear and we obey.” Allah says: (translation) “It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter that they should have any choice in their affair.” What this woman has said is not from the words of the Muslims, rather it is from the words of the apostates from Islam, who are at war with Islam. As for the Muslim, he has no choice but to fully accept and submit to the commands of Allah and His Messenger.
Q4.
When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages? What do you say about this?
A4.
This is in opposition to the natural state in which Allah created people. If it is true that his woman made such a statement, then she is far from Islam, and not from among the Muslims. Rather she is from among the disbelievers and apostates. If it is true that she made these statements, then each one of these statements takes her out of the fold of Islam. The statement she made about amputation of the thief’s hand being brutal is a statement of disbelief and apostasy. Likewise, the statement she made about saying “No” to the Quran when one’s whims don’t agree with it, is a statement of disbelief and apostasy. Also, the statement she made supposrting same-sex relationships is a statement that is totally in opposition to the natural state in which Allah created the people.
Q5.
This woman says that it is the right of women to sit with men in the main hall of the mosque, without any barrier, and it is the right of women to participate in all activities normally reserved for men, such as leading the prayers, etc... What is the correct position in this matter?
A5.
A woman is prohibited from mixing with men. When the Prophet would lead the people in prayer, and women would attend the mosque, he would stay with the men in the mosque for a period of time after the prayer was over, so the women would have time to leave without having to mix with the men. Then, after the women left, the Prophet would leave with the men, and the purpose of this was to avoid mixing between men and women. So how can this woman or other than her feel that they have the right to mix with the opposite sex and participate in activities that are reserved for men? A woman is not allowed to hold a position of leadership, as the Prophet said: “A nation that gives a woman leadership over their affair will never succeed.” As I mentioned before, a Muslim has no choice but to fully accept and submit to the commands of Allah.
Shaykh Saalih Ibn Muhammed Al-Luhaydaan
Member of Council of Senior Scholars
Member of Lajnah Ad-Daaimah
Q1. There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1. All Praise is due to Allah, and peace and blessings be on His Messenger who delivered the message, fulfilled the trust given to him, advised the nation, and left us on a clear path. Nobody deviates from this path except that he is religiously destroyed.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained to us what was revealed to him by Allah in the Quran. Allah revealed the Quran as a clarification for all things, and He ordered His prophet to explain to the people what has been revealed to them by their Lord. And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fulfilled this duty and clarified all issues. He never made a woman a leader of prayers for men. Allah says: (translation) "Men are the care-takers of women" And when He mentioned the relationship between men and women, He made clear that men are favored over women.
With regards to acts of worship, however, it is necessary for women to carry out the same obligations as men. For instance, women are required to observe all the daily prayers, just as men are. This obligation is never waived except if a woman is menstruating or in the period of post-childbirth bleeding.
It is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayers, as it is not permissible for her to deliver a Friday sermon. A woman is not allowed to be a leader for men in obligatory or supererogatory prayers. She is only permitted to lead other women in prayers, and while she is doing this, she should stay in the middle of the first row of women she is leading, and she should not come in front of them.
What I have mentioned here is the opinion of the majority of Islamic scholars, past and present. And it is not proper for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to innovate into this religion what Allah and His Messenger have not allowed.
This professor you mentioned, perhaps intends to deliver a Friday sermon, or perhaps she would like to lead the people in the Friday prayer. This is a matter that is not permissible in Islamic law. No evidence can be found to support her position in the Quran, the Sunnah, the sayings of the companions and their followers, or the sayings of the people of knowledge. If this woman is Muslim, then it is obligatory for her to comply to the rulings set by Islam, and to follow the guidance of the Mothers of the Believers, and the women of the companions, may Allah be pleased with them all.
I do not know of anyone from any period of time who has allowed a woman to lead the people in Friday prayers or deliver a Friday sermon. This never occurred during the time of the rightly-guided caliphs, which was the peak of the Islamic nation, nor during the Umayyah or Abbasi dynasties. Actually, it never occurred during any time whatsoever. So there is no doubt that this is clear misguidance, and we ask Allah to guide that woman, and those who accept her position, to the truth.
Q2. This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibility of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2. One who denies a ruling that is clearly stated in the Quran becomes a disbeliever, and leaves the fold of Islam. Allah says (translation) "The male and female thief -- cut off their hands." However, for this ruling to be carried out, certain conditions must be met. For instance it should be clear that the thief didn't mistakenly take money that he thought was his. Also, if a Muslim takes money from the Muslim public treasury, his hand is not to be cut off, rather he is to be punished in a way that will deter himself and others from committing this crime in the future.
When people start to deny the laws that the Quran has set, then they have actually started to leave Islam and remove it's companionship from their necks. And by doing so, there is a great evil and misguidance, its extent known only to Allah.
Q3. This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. One who makes this statement has fallen into a dangerous situation. The Quran was revealed in the language of the Arabs, and it is completely understood in the language of the Arabs, except for the matters of the unseen, and this was explained by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). As for those who follow the unclear verses in the Quran, they are the people whose hearts have deviated from the straight path. In the Quran there are verses that are understandable to any Arab who can read and understand the Arabic language. There are other verses that deal with detailed rulings, and these have been explained by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Allah says (translation) "that you (O Prophet) explain to the people what has been revealed to them." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fulfilled this duty and explained everything. Allah also mentioned about the Quran (translation) "In it are verses that are precise -- they are the foundation of the Book, and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation, the will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation (suitable to them)." These are the people of misguidance. As for those who have firm knowledge, they say "We believe in it, all of it is from our Lord." As for the idea of rejecting the verses of the Quran that one does not understand, it should be known that recitation of the Quran is an act of worship, even if the reciter does not understand what he is reading. If he is able to read and understand what he is reading, then he has been given a great blessing. Intentionally rejecting a verse from the Quran, and firmly resolving not to accept it, is actually firmly resolving to leave Islam. This is something that none of the people of knowledge have ever agreed to. The Quran was revealed as a clarification for all things, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained these things to us in his Sunnah. The Sunnah of the Prophet clarifies what is difficult to understand in the Quran. It limits, specifies, and clarifies certain rulings. Furthermore, the Quran cannot be understood by all people. A person with greater understanding of the Arabic language can comprehend the general verses of the Quran better than others. Whoever deviates from this understanding has deviated from the straight path, and taken the other paths that lead to misguidance. Allah says (translation): "And surely this is My straight path, so follow it, and do not follow the (other) ways, for you will be separated from His way." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) once was with his companions, and he drew a straight line. He drew to the left and right many crooked lines. He then said that the straight line was the path of Allah, whereas the crooked lines were the other paths, with each one having a devil calling to it. Then he recited the previously mentioned verse: (translation) "And surely this is My straight path, so follow it, and do not follow the (other) ways, for you will be separated from His way." We ask Allah to protect us and keep us safe from this.
Q4. When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages? What do you say about this?
A4. This statement does not even need to be discussed. Is this woman a Muslim? A Muslim would never make such a statement. It is impossible for a sane Muslim to make such a statement. She is not only allowing homosexuality, but encouraging and justifying it by suggesting that same-sex marriages should be recognized. On the other hand, she is rejecting the implementation of Islamic law. Is she a Muslim. No one from the fold of Islam would allow a man to marry a man and a woman to marry a woman. The only question is: Should a man who commits homosexuality be executed or not? Should it be carried out by stoning or not? Most of the companions were of the opinion that men who commit homosexuality should be executed. Shaykh-ul-Islam ibn Taymiyyah mentioned that the companions and the Tabi'een had a consensus on the issue of execution, but the difference of opinion was on how it should be carried out? Should they be stoned, or thrown off the highest structure in the land? The idea of legalizing homosexuality is filthy and evil, and could never be supported by a Muslim. We ask Allah to keep us safe.
Q5. This woman says that it is the right of women to sit with men in the main hall of the mosque, without any barrier, and it is the right of women to participate in all activities normally reserved for men, such as leading the prayers, etc... What is the correct position in this matter?
A5. Surely, this is from misguidance. Women have roles and jobs specific to them, and men have roles and jobs specific to them. Allah specified women to carry children and give birth. Also, Allah says: (translation) "Men are the care-takers of women." And when the Persians appointed the daughter of Kisra as the leader of their kingdom after his death, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said (translation): "A nation who appoints a woman as its leader will not be successful." Furthermore, even the testimony of a woman is not equal to that of a man. According to the Quran, the testimony of two women is equal to that of one man. As for crowds of men and women entering the mosque from the same door, and the issue of women and men sitting side by side without a barrier, this is something that is totally against the etiquettes of Islam. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said (translation): “The best rows for the women are the last ones, and the worst ones are the front ones." And he said with regards to the prayer, which is the most important act of worship (translation): "If the wife of one of you asks for permission to go to the mosque, let him not prevent her, but their houses are better for them." He also said : (translation): the first trial that affected the Children of Israel was due to women." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also informed us that he did not leave behind a more harmful trial for men than women. So we say: May Allah guide the men and women of the Muslims to hold fast to their religion and respect the rulings of Allah, and constrain their actions to comply with the Quran and the Sunnah and what the scholars have agreed upon. No nation has a methodology that addresses all situations of man and his personal life, as well as his business dealings, his relations with friends and enemies, his relations with his family and relatives, his relations with the rulers and subjects -- no nation has a methodology that deals with these relationships like the methodology of Islam. And whoever wants something other than Islam, wants to fall into clear misguidance. And help is sought with Allah.
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From: basyb Sent: 3/19/2005 8:25 AM
Shaykh Abdullaah Ali Ar-Rukbaan
Member of Council of Senior Scholars
Member of Lajnah Ad-Daaimah
Q1. There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1. Islam has brought honor to women, and has given them a position that suits them. It has made women similar to men in many matters, but it has differentiated between them in other matters, with respect to what each sex naturally excels in. Islam raised the status of women, and gave them importance. Allah says (translation): “And due to them is similar to what is expected of them.”
It is not permissible for a woman to lead men in prayers, because leading the prayers is something that is exclusively reserved for men. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said in an authentic narration: “A woman is not to lead a man in prayers.” Because of this, what the woman mentioned in the question plans to do is shocking, and it is in opposition to what the majority of the scholars have agreed upon. Also, it is known that history has never recorded a case in which a women led men in Friday prayers, or any other prayer for that matter. If this ever happened, the narration would have surely been transmitted to us. It is not permissible to submit to the whims and desires while rejecting the Islamic rulings. It is also not permissible to follow an understanding that has no evidence to support it. By doing this, a person is actually disregarding the fundamental principles of the religion. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered the women to pray in the back rows, behind the rows of men, so that no mixing between the sexes would take place. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said “The best row for women is the last one, and the worst is the first one. And the best row for men is the first one, and the worst one is the last one.” If a woman leads men in prayer, then this prayer is not valid according to the majority of the scholars of all the different schools of thought. As for women praying in front of men, this act invalidates the men’s prayer, according to what many of the scholars have stated. With regards to this woman who plans to lead the prayers and place women in front of men, it is incumbent on her to fear Allah, and she must not submit to her own whims and desires while disregarding the rulings of Allah. She should not treat the rulings of Islam like a toy that can be played with. When one starts putting his or her whims and desires before the commandments of Islam, this leads to the loss of discipline, and the loss of obedience to the rules of Allah.
It is permissible for a woman to lead other women in prayer. If a woman leads other women in prayer, it is better for her to stay in the middle of the front row, without standing in front of the congregation. However, if she does stand in front of them, there is no problem with that.
It is obligatory on the brothers who have a connection with this woman to advise her to fear Allah and try to convince her to return to the truth and reject her false ideology. It has been narrated in the Sunnah that whoever initiates an evil practice will carry his own sin as well as the sin of all of those who follow his example until the Day of Judgement. I fear that this woman will carry the sin of what she has said, as well as the sins of everyone who accepts and follows her position in the future.
Q2. This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibilty of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2. Amputation of the hand of the thief is an Islamic ruling that is agreed upon by all the scholars. The Quran is very clear on this ruling. Allah says (translation) “And the male and female thief, cut off their hands in recompense for what they have done, as a deterrent from Allah. And Allah is All-Mighty, Most Wise ” And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The hand of the thief is to be amputated for (theft of) a quarter of a dinar or more.” The Ahadith that mention the amputation of the hand of the thief are correct and authentic. A woman who stole was once brought to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and he ordered for her hand to be amputated. Intercession to the Prophet was done on her behalf, as she was a woman of honor and high social status. The Prophet then delivered a sermon and said “What destroyed the people before you is that when a person of high status stole, they would leave him, but when a weak person stole, they would carry out the prescribed punishment. By Allah, if Fatimah the daughter of Muhammad were to steal, Muhammad would cut off her hand.” So the rejection of the Islamic ruling on the one who steals is a very dangerous matter, and it is feared that one who holds this opinion has exited the circle of Islam. It is obligatory on the Muslims to fully accept all the rulings that have been revealed in the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, and to submit to these rulings with obedience to Allah and compliance with His commands. It is important that the Muslims do not pay attention to what the enemies of Islam say, as they try to place doubt in the Muslims with regards to the Islamic rulings. If the punishment for stealing was carried out correctly, the crime of theft would be virtually eliminated, and because of this, only very few hands would be cut. Enemies of Islam try to place doubts in the hearts of the Muslims with regards to this ruling and others like it, and behind this effort is their own agenda. It is incumbent on the Muslims not to be affected by these efforts. Rather, Muslims should take pride in their religion and carry out all of its commandments, and by doing this they will gain honor and happiness in this world and the Hereafter. It is necessary for Muslims to fully accept all rulings that have been revealed in the Quran. Allah says (translation): “But no, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in submission.”
Q3. This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. This statement is extremely dangerous. It is necessary for the Muslim to accept each and every verse found in the Book of Allah., and to submit fully to every command and ruling. If a person reads and understands a ruling, this is well and good, but if he doesn’t understand a particular ruling, then it is obligatory on him to ask the people of knowledge to clarify it for him. It is not permissible for a person to reject following a verse in the Quran just because he doesn’t understand its meaning. If we were to accept this methodology, there would be nothing left in our religion, because many of the people do not understand many of the rulings of Islam. Only those who Allah has blessed with knowledge are able to fully comprehend the rulings found in the Quran. This level of comprehension requires a person to spend all his time studying the Book of Allah and its interpretation according to the scholars of Islam.
Q4. When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages. What do you say about this?
A4. It is necessary for the Muslim to adhere to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His
Messenger, and to understand the Quran and Sunnah correctly, without falling into extremism or over-leniency. And it is necessary to call others to this religion and spread it all over the world. It is necessary for the Muslim to observe the commandments of Islam personally, as well as call others towards the observance of these commandments in all of their affairs, public and private. The last people of this Ummah will not be made upright except by that which made the first people of this Ummah upright. The religion of Islam is the religion of love, mercy, and kindness, and it has given everyone their rights, Muslims as well as non-Muslims. Same-sex marriage is an issue of the utmost vulgarity. It is something that any sane mind would reject. In addition to this, there was never a religious legal code from the nations before us that allowed same-sex marriage. The laws of Islam are in front of all these laws, and they do not allow for sexual relations between men and men or between women and women. Actually this is considered from among the greatest of the major sins, and it is even worse if there is an attempt to rationalize it through a marriage contract. This woman must fear Allah and repent to Him, and seek forgiveness for what she has said and done. Also, it is necessary for the brothers who live in the land where this women resides to advise her with kindness and gentleness, with hope that Allah may guide her and those who have been affected by her ideas.
Shaykh Ali Abdur-Rehmaan Al-Huthayfi
Imaam and Khateeb of Prophet's Masjid, Madinah
Q1. There is a woman among us, who is a professor of Islamic studies in one of the universities, who claims that there is no prohibition in Islam for a woman to lead men in the congregational prayer. This woman is planning to deliver a Friday sermon as well as lead the Friday prayers, for a congregation of men and women. This woman believes that women praying in the back rows of the mosque behind men has nothing to do with Islam, but rather it is the it is the result of following old customs and cultural practices. Due to this belief, this Friday she will place the women's rows in front, and the men will pray behind them. What is the Islamic position on this issue? And what is the ruling on men praying behind women?
A1. The answer to this question is that the prayer of a woman as a leader of men and women is not valid. The prayer of the woman leading the prayers, as well as the prayer of all the men and women praying behind her, are all invalid and unacceptable. The Prophet said : “Pray as you have seen me praying.” It has never been narrated in Islamic history that a woman led prayers for men and women. What is required from women according to Islamic law is that they remain concealed, shy, and modest. This action – a woman leading men and women in prayers, is an act that is in opposition to the Quran and the Sunnah, because Allah made leadership for men. The Prophet said: “The leader was placed to be followed.” The purpose behind what this woman is attempting to do is to alter the understanding of Islam that all the scholars have agreed upon. However, it is impossible for anyone to block the light of the sun, and it is impossible for anyone to harm Islam with anything. The plan of this woman is a weak plan. It is necessary for this woman to be warned and prevented from this action, so it cannot spread, and so others will not be convinced to follow her misguidance, because surely this is a matter that is clearly false and deviant.
Q2. This woman says that she disagrees with the Quranic ruling mandating cutting off the hand of a thief, because she believes that cutting off someone's hand is brutal behavior. Also, she does not submit to some of the Quranic rulings that pertain to Islamically prescribed punishments. What is the ruling on one who denies the permissibility of cutting off the hand of a thief?
A2. Whoever denies the ruling on amuptation of the hand oh the thief -- which is clearly proven by the Quran and the Sunnah – whoever denies this is a disbeliever. If the person who denies this ruling is said to be among the Muslims, then this denial takes him out of Islam, and if the person is not a Muslim, then he is an clear enemy of Islam. This woman who has made this statement has no portion of Islam at all. The statement of disbelievers can never be accepted, because they are ignorant, evil-doing enemies of Islam. The statement of this woman is the most evil of things that has been heard, and the most filthy of things that has been written on this issue. This is from the evil plots that the enemies of Islam have planned against the Muslim, but Islam is like a mountain – even the strongest winds cannot harm or shake it.
Q3. This professor says that if a Muslim finds difficulty or problems understanding some verses of the Quran, it is permissible to reject these verses and say "No" to the Quran. What is the ruling on such a statement?
A3. The answer to this question is that there is no verse in the Quran that contains a command or a prohibition or any legislation thats meaning is hidden. Actually the Quran is very clear in its wording and rulings, and the interpretation of these rulings can be known through the people of knowledge, and the books of knowledge. The statement of this woman is a filthy statement, and it is a statement of disbelief. Disbelief has many stages and levels, with some levels being greater than others, and the statement of this woman is one of the greatest and most repulsive forms of disbelief. She has come with a statement that is from the darkest depths of disbelief. Actually this statement is darkness upon darkness.
Q4. When this professor was asked about implementation of Islamic laws in Canada, she rejected this suggestion, but in the same lecture, she gave her support to same-sex marriages? What do you say about this?
A4. This statement, regarding men marrying men and women marrying women, can be refuted by looking at the world of animals. Even animals do not degrade themselves to this filthy, vulgar, repulsive level. This woman, by making such a statement, has made herself filthier and more repulsive than any animal or beast on the face of this earth.
Q5. This woman says that it is the right of women to sit with men in the main hall of the mosque, without any barrier, and it is the right of women to participate in all activities normally reserved for men, such as leading the prayers, etc... What is the correct position in this matter?
A5. This filthy repulsive woman is legislating laws for herself according to her own whims and desires. Whoever is able to prevent her from spreading these evil animalistic ideas, his reward will be with Allah. This woman is pleased to put herself in a position lower and more degrading than that of the animals. She legislates laws for herself according to what her own whims and desires dictate to her, and she speaks for no one but herself, because Allah honored the daughters of the children of Adam, and he said : (translation) “And surely We have honored the children of Adam.” As for the person whom Allah has not honored to obey Him, there is no one on ths earth who can honor such a person, and this person will be in constant disgrace and humility until he is placed in the fire to abide therein forever.
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From: Dexterzthouqtz Sent: 3/21/2005 3:29 PM
salam 3likoum ya jma3at elkhir
wallah i feel ashamed to say i live in new york or the US , and i feel more ashamed kifach ghadi nkablou rabi yawm elkiyama , wa7naya anchoufu had elmounkar ya7sal fi 7ak elislam wa dinouna el7anif elnathif min taraf ha 2oula2 elmoutatarifine elkafara elmounafikine la3natou llah 3laihoum and kima kal hadak l'algerien near the church yalli kanat atssali fiha hadik elmal3ouna elmounafika 3adouwat llah yalli she look like candaliza reisse hiya and hadik elmal3ouna yali kanat tou2athin wa hiya makchoufat elfigoura kalhoum fi interview ma3a eljazira janb church hadik lazam atmout wa nsay7ou damha ou rabi ghadi ya7ragha inshallah 3andou el7k il a bien and 3andou le courage bach kal hakda on National TV i beleive koulkoum chaftouh hadak elakh , yawm eljouma3a elmathi , 3ala koulin
i just feel ashamed cuz i can't do anything about it and maranich 3arfa kifach ghadi ankabal rabi min yas2alni watch darti fi difa3i 3ala diniki 3indaha ?!!!!!!!!!
allahouma ghfir lana wa sami7na cuz na7nou thou3afa2 eliman , allahouma kawi imanana so we can do some thing one against had elkafara ,
SALAM KHAWA
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From: aniss Sent: 3/21/2005 5:04 PM
salam...
oui , hadal le jeune, rabi yassatrou,et encore hada ts les samedi et dimanche at time square edir edawaa, et with flyers at 42 st .... et inakache hadouk el yahouda .
rabi atahh fassaht elissane et naamou be imane kawi, et machaa allah.
il etais le seul et restera fes le anales de la comunity algerienne a ny . no seleument kil a pris face avec cette ignorante, mais pour d autre taches kil fait de ttes ces journees juste pour ke l islam soit bien compris a travers cette city dominee par les juifs , et entre autres il ne ce lasse jamais .
nadou errahmane yastrou et yahafdou....
salam .
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From: katkoutah220v Sent: 3/22/2005 10:03 AM
salam
sa7a anis wach rak inshallah bekhayr
alors you saw him right? on tv!!
he was so cool that guy really rabi inshalah ya7afdou and ywafkou lima yatloub fi sabil llah.
elmouhim elmoucharaka ,
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From: aniss Sent: 3/22/2005 1:50 PM
salam...
ketkou welahh rani hamdoulilah et j espere ke toi aussi raki bien et in chalah
tt va bien ..
yes ketkou chaftou en direct ,sans intereference , ni censsure , ni houm yahzanoun.
et puis makhla maykoul , darlhoum hala , et sans gene , meme les autorites,alors manahderche ala hadouk soit disont la securite taa ezamarr enfin zamma securite ,
enfin hada ya ketkou au faite djarakk ,hee oui c ton voisin .\
aya je vs souhaite a ts une tres bonne journee et alp in challah ..
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From: Yacine Sent: 3/24/2005 8:14 AM
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From: AbdellahAzzam Sent: 3/25/2005 1:50 PM
آخر أضحوكات الزمان
خرجت علينا بنت الحسب والنسب الأمريكية تعلمنا كيف تكون صلاة المساواة !!!
خرجت علينا بعد ألف وأربعمئة سنة من قول الله تعالى " اليوم أكملت لكم دينكم "
وقفت تصف الصفوف
وكأنى أراها تحمل لواءهم يوم القيامة أمام مليك مقتدر .. فماذا تقول يومها ؟
وقد أحدثت بدعة وفتنة لن يسلم من شرها ضعاف الإيمان وحديثي الإسلام من اهل الغرب والشرق ممن لا يجيدون العربيه
أما أهل الإسلام في الثغور فلا نخشي عليهم امثال هذه البومة ، لأن هذه الأفكار لا تستوى على أرض يقف على ترابها مجاهدون بواسل من مدرسة الفلوجة العسكرية الحديثة ، أو ممن حضر الملاحم في قندهار وتورا بورا.
إنما الخوف كل الخوف
من هذه البومة التي نعقت وصرخت ، وجمعت لصريخها متحذلقات الدفاع عن حقوق المرأة العربية
وآخرهم الكاتبه هويدا طه التي كتبت في القدس العربي يوم الخميس 23 مارس 2005 تقول مستنكرة :
فمن قائلٍ (لا يفلح قوم ولوّا امرهم امرأة) الي قائلٍ بان (النساء ناقصات عقلٍ ودين)
ويبدو أن جلالتها - أي هويدا - ورغم أن أبوها اسمه طه وهو أحد أسماء نبي الإسلام ، يبدو أن نيافتها وعظمتها تتمتع بجهل مركب ، لأن ما تهكمت عليه واستنكرته إنما هو قول نبي الإسلام محمد بن عبد الله صلى الله عليه وسلم.
إن هذا الكلام - الذي لا يعحب قداستها - منسوب لمن كتب اسمه على باب الجنة في جملة التوحيد " لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله "
ويبدوا أننا سنشهد قريبا المزيد من نعيق البوم الذي يركب الموجة الأمريكية الرابحة ، لينهش في بنيان هذا الدين الذي خذله معظم أبنائه عندما تولوا سبيل الشيطان ورضوا بالحياة الدنيا
خرجت علينا بومة أمريكا بسنة غير سنة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم
وتداعى لها البوم من كافة أرجاء المعمورة ليصدق قول الحق تعالى : " ظهر الفساد في البر والبحر "
وهنا يطرأ سؤال بحاجة إلى إجابة شافية من مشايخنا
مشايخ الأمة لا مشايخ أمريكا وفرنسا وأسبانيا
ما هو حكم من فعلت هذه البدعة ؟؟ وما هو حكم من صلى وراءها ؟؟ هل خرجوا عن الملة ؟؟ وهل تتبع هذه المرأة في حكمها حكم مسليمة الكذاب ومدعى النبوة في عصر الراشدين ؟؟
هذا سؤال مهم
لأن هذه الحادثة الشاذه في عامنا هذا .. قد تنتقل بعد بضعة أعوام إلى أرض الإسلام .. فوجب علي شيوخ الإسلام أن يوضحوا لنا كيف نتعامل مع هذه العاهات التي أتحفتنا بها بطون الأمهات في عصرنا هذا !! عصر حرية المرأة !!!!!!!!!!! ولا أدري لماذا أنجبت لدينا المرأة في عصور التخلف والقهر صلاح الدين والعز بن عبد السلام وغيرهم من الأفذاذ .. بينما لم تنجب لنا المرأة المحررة إلا أشباه الرجال من محمد عطيه والشاب ما مي وغيرهم من المخنثين الذين هم عار على شباب الأمة.
أيها المسلمون والمسلمات
الله الله في دينكم .. هذه حادثة جلل .. فلنتصدى لها بقوة قبل أن يتسرب هذا السرطان إلى باقى أمور العبادات في ديننا ، هذه أول نتائج الفرقان الحق ، وغدا تشاهدون الصوم على طريقة والت ديزني ، والحج بطريقة ماكدونالدز ، والتوحيد على مذهب الإمام بوش الإبن !!! والعرض القادم هدم الكعبة
عليكم بتعليم أبنائكم الإسلام كما نزل على نبي الإسلام صلى الله عليه وسلم
ولا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله
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From: AbdellahAzzam Sent: 3/25/2005 1:50 PM
آخر أضحوكات الزمان
خرجت علينا بنت الحسب والنسب الأمريكية تعلمنا كيف تكون صلاة المساواة !!!
خرجت علينا بعد ألف وأربعمئة سنة من قول الله تعالى " اليوم أكملت لكم دينكم "
وقفت تصف الصفوف
وكأنى أراها تحمل لواءهم يوم القيامة أمام مليك مقتدر .. فماذا تقول يومها ؟
وقد أحدثت بدعة وفتنة لن يسلم من شرها ضعاف الإيمان وحديثي الإسلام من اهل الغرب والشرق ممن لا يجيدون العربيه
أما أهل الإسلام في الثغور فلا نخشي عليهم امثال هذه البومة ، لأن هذه الأفكار لا تستوى على أرض يقف على ترابها مجاهدون بواسل من مدرسة الفلوجة العسكرية الحديثة ، أو ممن حضر الملاحم في قندهار وتورا بورا.
إنما الخوف كل الخوف
من هذه البومة التي نعقت وصرخت ، وجمعت لصريخها متحذلقات الدفاع عن حقوق المرأة العربية
وآخرهم الكاتبه هويدا طه التي كتبت في القدس العربي يوم الخميس 23 مارس 2005 تقول مستنكرة :
فمن قائلٍ (لا يفلح قوم ولوّا امرهم امرأة) الي قائلٍ بان (النساء ناقصات عقلٍ ودين)
ويبدو أن جلالتها - أي هويدا - ورغم أن أبوها اسمه طه وهو أحد أسماء نبي الإسلام ، يبدو أن نيافتها وعظمتها تتمتع بجهل مركب ، لأن ما تهكمت عليه واستنكرته إنما هو قول نبي الإسلام محمد بن عبد الله صلى الله عليه وسلم.
إن هذا الكلام - الذي لا يعحب قداستها - منسوب لمن كتب اسمه على باب الجنة في جملة التوحيد " لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله "
ويبدوا أننا سنشهد قريبا المزيد من نعيق البوم الذي يركب الموجة الأمريكية الرابحة ، لينهش في بنيان هذا الدين الذي خذله معظم أبنائه عندما تولوا سبيل الشيطان ورضوا بالحياة الدنيا
خرجت علينا بومة أمريكا بسنة غير سنة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم
وتداعى لها البوم من كافة أرجاء المعمورة ليصدق قول الحق تعالى : " ظهر الفساد في البر والبحر "
وهنا يطرأ سؤال بحاجة إلى إجابة شافية من مشايخنا
مشايخ الأمة لا مشايخ أمريكا وفرنسا وأسبانيا
ما هو حكم من فعلت هذه البدعة ؟؟ وما هو حكم من صلى وراءها ؟؟ هل خرجوا عن الملة ؟؟ وهل تتبع هذه المرأة في حكمها حكم مسليمة الكذاب ومدعى النبوة في عصر الراشدين ؟؟
هذا سؤال مهم
لأن هذه الحادثة الشاذه في عامنا هذا .. قد تنتقل بعد بضعة أعوام إلى أرض الإسلام .. فوجب علي شيوخ الإسلام أن يوضحوا لنا كيف نتعامل مع هذه العاهات التي أتحفتنا بها بطون الأمهات في عصرنا هذا !! عصر حرية المرأة !!!!!!!!!!! ولا أدري لماذا أنجبت لدينا المرأة في عصور التخلف والقهر صلاح الدين والعز بن عبد السلام وغيرهم من الأفذاذ .. بينما لم تنجب لنا المرأة المحررة إلا أشباه الرجال من محمد عطيه والشاب ما مي وغيرهم من المخنثين الذين هم عار على شباب الأمة.
أيها المسلمون والمسلمات
الله الله في دينكم .. هذه حادثة جلل .. فلنتصدى لها بقوة قبل أن يتسرب هذا السرطان إلى باقى أمور العبادات في ديننا ، هذه أول نتائج الفرقان الحق ، وغدا تشاهدون الصوم على طريقة والت ديزني ، والحج بطريقة ماكدونالدز ، والتوحيد على مذهب الإمام بوش الإبن !!! والعرض القادم هدم الكعبة
عليكم بتعليم أبنائكم الإسلام كما نزل على نبي الإسلام صلى الله عليه وسلم
ولا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله
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Recommend Message 17 of 22 in Discussion
From: CriminalLalmaselfartas Sent: 3/26/2005 7:51 AM
Salam alikom wadjazaka lah a3la ma koulta walah yazidouka i3lman inshaalah,
What I noticed is that this gulf is not only trying to ruin the Islamic foundations and undermine it's progress," it is a well known fact that since september 11, this event has exploded the men-made media curtain that blinded peoples eyes and saw clear what are they meant to do, many of them embrassed Islam macha alah".As I said above not only Islam, I watch TV every now and then and the same thing happens to the church, the devil is embodying all the powers, we must just hold to the fact that even if you the only muslim left on earth noone absolutely no evil can harm you when you have a strong faith in alah.
I pray for all the muslims to be aware of these khabaiths, and try to find a place whereever they are a good muslim surrounding where one can protect him/herself from the western meaningless objectives.
Salam alikom
Message 18 of 22 in Discussion
From: Yacine Sent: 4/3/2005 10:00 AM
حكم إمامة المرأة للرجال في الصلاة
بحث شرعي مبسط
بقلم د. هاني السباعي
مدير مركز المقريزي للدراسات التاريخية
الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وبعد:
هذا بحث شرعي مبسط أقدمه لإخواننا طلبة العلم المبتدئين، ولكل من يهمه أمر المسلمين. نسأل الله أن يستخدمنا لنصرة دينه. وقد سرت في هذا البحث المتواضع على النحو التالي:
أولاً: تقدمة.
ثانياً: هل صلاة الجمعة واجبة في الأصل على المرأة؟
ثالثاً: أدلة القائلين بإمامة المرأة للرجال في الصلاة.
رابعاً: أدلة القائلين بعدم جواز إمامة المرأة للرجال في الصلاة.
خامساً: نتف من أقوال علماء المذاهب الإسلامية.
صفوة القول.
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Recommend Message 19 of 22 in Discussion
From: Muchkill_algeria Sent: 4/3/2005 11:39 AM
Salammmmmmmm alikoum adjma3een,
Ana 3la bali, hta fel mout el mra tkoun fel akhir souffouf, ki nsali salat el djanaza fel makbara, ihoutou tabout erradjal touima ba3da7 tabout elwalad wa touma tabout el mar2a. Ce qui veux dire, et comme vous pouvez le constater par vous meme, el mar2a est toujours apres l'homme , que se soit dans la priere ou autre! Que penses tu Ghhhhhingo?
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Recommend Message 20 of 22 in Discussion
From: katkoutah220v Sent: 4/4/2005 11:31 AM
salam
behhh pfffffffffff moi j'pense ke la magh2a est tjrs apres le ghajoul voila , but let's not foghget aussi ke l'homme without la magh2a maysawi walou and el3akssou sa7i7 behhh voila .
alors what tu en pense gghhhingo!!!!
et toi kghimo any afkagh about this mawdou3 that will never end i guess?!!!
alors ke houari i know what he thinks about this,
according to him : wara2a kouli rajouline 3athimin imra2atoun mahirata el tabkhi , hahahahahah !! am i right or what waghi ???...
well alors ke mr. basyb if la femme et n'est pas la alors houwa mayadkhoulch kamal ila elmatbakh cuz he will think about elbouka2ou 3ala elatlal , he can't even make an egg salad without her , loooooooool.
byeeeeeeeeeeee
P.S. miss you all hoppe all doin' well
salam
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Recommend Message 22 of 22 in Discussion
From: عربي_________للأبد Sent: 4/23/2005 1:52 PM
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتة
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD UNITE - THE ZIONIST MARXISTS HAVE TARGETED ISLAM FIRST!
ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION:
Q:WOULD THE CATHOLICS PERMIT THE POPE TO BE A WOMAN?
Q:WOULD THE BRAHMINS PERMIT A WOMAN PANDIT?
Q:WOULD JEWS ALLOW A WOMAN RABBI?
Q:WOULD BUDDHISTS ALLOW A WOMAN DALAI LAMA?
THE UNANIMOUS ANSWER WILL BE : "NEVER"!
THE MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS --- WHY?
ONLY A COMBINED, WELL-REASONED AND GENDER-NEUTRAL RESPONSE TO THE CHALLENGE WILL EXPOSE THE FULL CONTOURS OF 'DIVIDE AND RULE' ZIONIST CONSPIRACY TO WRECK WORLD PEACE AND EXPLOIT THE CHAOS.
THIS IS A COVERT WAR BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS HERALDED ON THE SHOULDERS OF OUR OWN WOMENFOLK.
WE ALL MUST JOINTLY ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE AND THWART THEIR EVIL DESIGNS.
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