Mes Voeux

Salam,

Quoique un peu hativement, mais puisque que mieux vaut
trop tot que trop tard, je vous presente tous mes voeux de
bonheur et de reussite dans la pleine santé pour l'année
2005 a venir.
J'ose esperer par ailleurs, que le bilan de l année, toujours
encore en cours, est globalement positif pour tout un chacun d 'entre vous.
Permettez-moi de vous souhaiter, Tout ce que vous vous souhaitez,et surtout ce qui vous semble le meilleur pour
vous meme.
Avec Fraternité..., Talia.



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From: krimo Sent: 12/29/2004 7:49 AM
merci talia,je te souhaite aussi bonne annee 2005 bonne sante et beaucoup d amour.pour moi j espere payer moins de taxe l annee 2005


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From: Talia Sent: 12/29/2004 10:13 AM
Salam,

Tres heureuse année pour toi aussi cher ami Krimo.

Krimo, si ma memoire est bonne, et je crois qu 'elle
l 'est...tu cumules bien 2 emplois?
J'admire beaucoup ce courage qui est tient, et qui consiste
a te sacrifier au travail pour du confort materiel ...
Sais-tu cher Krimo, qu'il existe encore dans cette humanité
souffrante , des gens qui croient qu'en travaillant plus
on epargne plus?
Dis moi, ce second emploi, c 'est un emploi au black, ou
c'est un emploi declaré et donc legal?
Ou alors te sert il a payer les charges que t'occasionne
ta superbe piscine faite de tes mains et a la sueur de ton front,
et ou tu te sacrifies et de bonne foi a quelques brasses dans une eau issue des rivieres....chaque jour que Dieu t'accorde?
Krimo, tu as piqué ma curiosité, et je m 'en irais volontier
faire un tour...du coté du cadastre de ta ville pour consulter
le p-o-s (plan d 'occupation des sols ) !
Ensuite, avec ta permission , on discutera de taxes...





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From: aniss Sent: 12/29/2004 1:41 PM
salam:)
je profite aussi de vs souhaiter a ts une bonne et heureuse annee 2005, bonheur sante et in challah la paix dans le monde:)
chere talia ne t inquiete pas au sujet de KRIMO, il est master en fraude fiscale,
il se la joue berk,....
SALAM ET MES MEILLEURS VOEUX:)


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From: Talia Sent: 12/29/2004 2:48 PM
Salam,

Aniss, je te presente mes voeux les meilleurs, de joie
de bonheur , d'allegresse et de pleine santé.Espoir
de te savoir heureux.
Tu as raison aussi de dire que l'ami Krimo est expert
en matiere de fraude fiscale, il detourne l 'attention
sur sa piscine pendant qu 'il batit dans son sous sol
declaré comme cave, un appart qu'il louera clandestinement
a nos pauvres freres sans domicile fixe!
Alors Krimo, un conseil d 'amie, retiens ceci; a force
de vouloir tout prendre et de ne rien vouloir lacher,
on finit par tout perdre...


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From: krimo Sent: 12/30/2004 4:16 PM
salut talia,au sujet de mon 2eme boulot ca a commecne il y a 13 ans pour cette organisation ta3 zmigriyas.jusqu au 1989 c etait un emploi gratuit ,je ne recevais aucun centimes et je le fesais avec plaisir mais depuis 1989 l organisation a beaucoup grandi et depuis subsidie donc on m a offert 70 heires par mois et payes alors non seulement je le fais avec plaisir encore mais je recois aussi de l argent.


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Ruling on Christmas & New Year
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What is the ruling on celebrating Christmas & New Year?

Praise be to Allaah.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), “And those who do not witness falsehood [al-zoor]…” [al-Furqaan 25:72]:

As regards the festivals of the mushrikeen: they combine confusion, physical desires and falsehood, there is nothing in them that is of any religious benefit, and the instant gratification involved in them only ends up in pain. Thus they are falsehood, and witnessing them means attending them.

This aaayah itself praises and commends (those who do not witness falsehood), which has the meaning of urging people to avoid taking part in their festivals and other kinds of falsehood. We understand that it is bad to attend their festivals because they are called al-zoor (falsehood).

It indicates that it is haraam to do this for many reasons, because Allaah has called it al-zoor. Allaah condemns the one who speaks falsehood [al-zoor] even if no-one else is harmed by it, as in the aayah forbidding zihaar [a form of divorce in which the man says to his wife “You are to me like the back of my mother”], where He says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And verily, they utter an ill word and a lie [zooran]…” [al-Mujaadilah 58:2]. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… So shun the abomination of idols, and shun lying speech (false statements) [al-zoor].” [al-Hajj 22:30]. So the one who does al-zoor is condemned in this fashion.

In the Sunnah: Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came [to Madeenah] and they had two days in which they would (relax and) play. He said, “What are these two days?” They said, “We used to play (on these two days) during the Jaahiliyyah.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has given you something better instead of them: Yawm al-Duhaa [Eid al-Adha] and Yawm al-Fitr [Eid al-Fitr].” (Reported by Abu Dawood).

This indicates clearly that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) definitely forbade his ummah to celebrate the festivals of the kuffaar, and he strove to wipe them out by all possible means. The fact that the religion of the People of the Book is accepted does not mean that their festivals are approved of or should be preserved by the ummah, just as the rest of their kufr and sins are not approved of. Indeed, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went to great lengths to command his ummah to be different from them in many issues that are mubaah (permitted) and in many ways of worship, lest that lead them to be like them in other matters too. This being different was to be a barrier in all aspects, because the more different you are from the people of Hell, the less likely you are to do the acts of the people of Hell.

The first of them is: The hadeeth “Every people has its festival, and this is our festival” implies exclusivity, that every people has its own festival, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers)…” [al-Baqarah 2:148] and “… To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way…” [al-Maa’idah 5:48]. This implies that each nation has its own ways. The laam in li-kulli [“for every”, “to each”] implies exclusivity. So if the Jews have a festival and the Christians have a festival, it is just for them, and we should not have any part in it, just as we do not share their qiblah (direction of prayer) or their laws.

The second of them is: one of the conditions set out by ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) and agreed upon by the Sahaabah and by all the Fuqaha’ after them is: that those of the People of the Book who have agreed to live under Islamic rule (ahl al-dhimmah) should not celebrate their festivals openly in Daar al-Islam (lands under Islamic rule). If the Muslims have agreed to prevent them from celebrating openly, how could it be right for the Muslims to celebrate them? If a Muslim celebrates them, is that not worse than if a kaafir does so openly?

The only reason that we forbade them to celebrate their festivals openly is because of the corruption involved in them, because of the sin or symbols of sin. In either case, the Muslim is forbidden from sin or the symbols of sin. Even if there was no evil involved apart from the kaafir feeling encouraged to celebrate openly because of the Muslim’s actions, how can a Muslim do that? The evil involved (in their festivals) will be explained below, in sha Allaah.

Al-Bayhaqi reported with a saheeh isnaad in Baab karaahiyat al-dukhool ‘ala ahl al-dhimmah fi kanaa’isihim wa’l-tashabbuh bihim yawmi nawroozihim wa maharjaanihim (Chapter on the abhorrence of entering the churches of ahl al-dhimmah on the occasion of their New Year and other celebrations): From Sufyaan al-Thawri from Thawr ibn Yazeed from ‘Ata’ ibn Deenaar who said: ‘Umar said: “Do not learn the language of the non-Arabs, do not enter upon the mushrikeen in their churches on their feast-days, for the wrath (of Allaah) is descending upon them.”

‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab said: “Avoid the enemies of Allaah on their festivals.”

It was reported with a saheeh isnaad from Abu Usaamah: ‘Awn told us from Abu’l-Mugheerah from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr: “Whoever lives in the land of the non-Arabs and celebrates their New Year and their festivals, and imitates them until he dies in that state, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection.”

‘Umar forbade learning their languages, and even entering their churches on the day of their festival, so how about doing some of the things they do on those days, or doing things that are a part of their religion? Is not going along with their actions worse than learning their language? Is not doing some of the things they do on their festival worse than just entering upon them? If divine wrath is descending upon them on the day of their festival because of what they do, then is not the one who does what they do, or a part of it, also exposed to the same punishment? Do not the words “Avoid the enemies of Allaah on their festivals” mean that we should not meet them or join them on those days? So how about the one who actually celebrates their festivals?

‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr clearly stated: “Whoever lives in the land of the non-Arabs and celebrates their New Year and their festivals, and imitates them until he dies in that state, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection.”

This implies that the one who joins in with them in all of these matters is a kaafir, or that doing this is one of the major sins (kabaa’ir) that will doom one to Hell; the former meaning is what is apparent from the wording.

He mentioned – and Allaah knows best – the one who lives in their land, because at the time of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr and the other Sahaabah, they used to forbid open celebration of kaafir festivals in the Muslim lands, and none of the Muslims imitated them in their festivals; that was possible only when living in the lands of the kaafirs.

‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) refused to even acknowledge the name of their festivals which were exclusively theirs, so how about actually celebrating them?

Ahmad mentioned the meaning of the reports narrated from ‘Umar and ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with them) on this topic, and his companions discussed the matter of festivals.

Imaam Abu’l-Hasan al-Aamidi said: the one who is known as Ibn al-Baghdaadi said in his book ‘Umdat al-Haadir wa Kifaayat al-Musaafir: “It is not permitted to attend the festivals of the Christians and Jews. Ahmad stated this in the report of Muhannaa, and his evidence for that is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And those who do not witness falsehood [al-zoor]…’ [al-Furqaan 25:72]. He said: (This is) al-Sha’aaneen and their festivals. He said: The Muslims are to be prevented from entering upon them in their synagogues and churches.”

From Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem Mukhaalifat Ashaab al-Jaheem by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 183.


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Greeting the kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is haraam, by consensus, as Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah."

Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. . ."
[al-Zumar 39:7]

". . . This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion . . ."
[al-Maa’idah 5:3]

So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the whole of mankind. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

It is haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations on such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them as it implies taking part in their celebrations.

Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said in his book Iqtidaa’ al-siraat al-mustaqeem mukhaalifat ashaab al-jaheem: "Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak."

Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or to be friendly, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because it makes the kuffaar feel proud of their religion.

Allaah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their religion, to help them adhere steadfastly to it, and to make them victorious over their enemies, for He is the Strong and Omnipotent.
(Majmoo’ah Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3/369)



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From: Mokhtar_alger Sent: 12/31/2004 12:57 PM
Salam,
Merci dzair de votre message. Personnellement Je ne crois pas en Noël ni au Nouvel An Chritien.
En tant que musulman, je crois seulement à L'EID AL FITR et Eid AL -ADHA..


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From: Talia Sent: 1/1/2005 1:52 PM
Salam,

Dzair, Mokhtar, salam a vous.
Le message de voeux n etait pas un message basé sur
la croyance, mais juste une simple formalité faite
de politesse hada maken...!
Avec tous mes respects et toute ma neutralité.


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From: Talia Sent: 1/1/2005 2:01 PM
Salam,


Dis-moi Krimo, serais-tu en plus d 'etre un fraudeur,
un visionnaire?Ou alors serait-ce parce que tu es
visionnaire que ca te permet de frauder?
Krimo, je t'avoue que l 'association des 2 me donnent des frissons dans le dos...
Take care...


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From: Aminah Sent: 1/2/2005 5:47 AM
Assalaamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuhu

Dear Sisters and Brothers,

Puisque on est aux formalites de bienseance et de politesse, et j'espere qu'on restera la in cha'Allah.
Il est de notre devoir de Muslims croyants et pratiquants de se faire rappeller entre nous.
Allah subhanu wa ta'ala a dit "
فَذَكِّرْ إِنْ نَفَعَتِ الذِّكْرَى (9) سَيَذَّكَّرُ مَنْ يَخْشَى (10) وَيَتَجَنَّبُهَا الْأَشْقَى (11) الَّذِي يَصْلَى النَّارَ الْكُبْرَى (12) ثُمَّ لَا يَمُوتُ فِيهَا وَلَا يَحْيَا (13) قَدْ أَفْلَحَ مَنْ تَزَكَّى) 14) ( وَذَكَرَ اسْمَ رَبِّهِ فَصَلَّى (15

9. Rappelle, donc, où le Rappel doit être utile. 10. Quiconque craint (Allah) s’[en] rappellera, 11. et s’en écartera le grand malheureux, 12. qui brûlera dans le plus grand Feu,

13. où il ne mourra ni ne vivra. 14. Réussit, certes, celui qui se purifie, 15. et se rappelle le nom de son Seigneur, puis célèbre la Salāt.


With reference to the previous post "Ruling on X'mas & the New year "and "can we Muslims say "happy new year" or respond likewise to any ppl who greet us "happy new year"?
please find below what Shaykh Muhammad Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote vis-à-vis celebrating non-Muslim holidays and congratulating them:

Quote:- Greeting the kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is haraam, by consensus, as Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah."

Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are gratefulby being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. . ." al-Zumar 39:7

". . . This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion . . ." al-Maa’idah 5:3

So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the whole of mankind. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." Aal ‘Imraan 3:85

It is haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations on such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them as it implies taking part in their celebrations.

Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said in his book Iqtidaa’ al-siraat al-mustaqeem mukhaalifat ashaab al-jaheem: "Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak."

Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or to be friendly, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because it makes the kuffaar feel proud of their religion.

Allaah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their religion, to help them adhere steadfastly

Majmoo’ah Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3/369 - unquote.

Shaykh ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) also wrote that returning greetings to kaafirs falls into three categories:

Fi Amman Allaah,
Your sister,
Aminah.